Theists, is there ANYTHING about your religion that you can prove?

Question

Anything at all?
You continually say that you don't believe in the Science of Evolution, yet Scientists prove daily that their theories are correct. Not only that, their evidence comes under very intense scrutiny by their peers.
Now your claims of demons, angels, miracles and other such fairy-tales require no proof. You say that faith is all that is needed. Yet you demand that people believe as if there were proof.
This of course, is madness.
So please, unless you have actual proof, if not credible evidence, do NOT come here and say that such-and-such is "real".
Sound fair?

Isis,
Um, would you like proof of Evolution? There are, literally, MOUNTAINS of it.
Start here;
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html

Labgrrl,
I try not to use big words like that when dealing with most theists. It just confuses them and causes them to furrow their brows in a vain attempt to understand.

Medina,
fine, you say that proof is "everywhere" then by all means, show me.
Show me ONE single solitary shred of credible evidence that points to the existence of your imaginary sky-pixie.
If you do, you'll be the first person in history to do so.

Martin.
You lack the necessarry information. You think that "proof" is something you believe strongly in. False.
People believed strongly that blacks were intellectually inferior to whites. This is not proof. Yet this is the kind of fallacy that you claim is proof.
Sorry, back to elementary school science class for you.

Answer 1

If they had proof they wouldn't have made up the word "faith" would they? I've been asking them for proof for ages, there REALLY REALLY isn't ANY, AT ALL!

Answer 2

Having faith in unseen is a part of today's science. In fact science started from this. In Maths we all study Limit tends to Infinity and solve so many real time problems. What is this infinity? Ask any mathematician. He will it is Faith. In Physics Scientist assume an Imaginary (mean having faith) particle called Photon which has zero mass and Infinite velocity. Today whole world is controlled by electronics. Do you know what is the dimension of one electron. 10 power minus 30 metres. We cant imagine 1/1000 of a millimeter. How can you prove that this evolved. The boundary of our universe is 4 billion light years from earth. We cant even imagine the distance of one light year. How can we prove that this huge distance evolved. There is an Extra-Intelligent force in all these things. Theory of evolution is still a theory. Till now no one has proved it to be a real one. Just look how our body is functioning? You will find wonders and go against evolution.

Answer 3

Certainly...

"You continually say that you don't believe in the Science of Evolution, yet Scientists prove daily that their theories are correct. Not only that, their evidence comes under very intense scrutiny by their peers. "

Oh, you MEANT ANTISECULARIST CHRISTIANS, not theists. I see, you're just vocabulary challenged.

"Now your claims of demons, angels, miracles and other such fairy-tales require no proof. You say that faith is all that is needed. Yet you demand that people believe as if there were proof."

Oh, I see you mean ANTISECULARIST CHRISTIANS WHO ARE JERKS, not theists.

I'd get that vocabulary problem looked at.

LG. Scientist. Evolutionary Biologist. Polytheist.

Answer 4

It would be well if you would not lump all "theists" under the same heading; most of what you describe here comes under the heading of christian belief and pertains very little or not at all to many people who manage to have a relationship with Deity unhampered by bad attitudes towards science. if anything, science has managed to CONFIRM the presence of a great unifying conciousness behind creation that some people choose to refer to as "Deity". It is quite possible to "prove' that there is God; the proof may be subjective, nonetheless, it is proof. However it is quite a strenuous process and few are willing to undertake it. I refer you to Aleister Crowley's "Eight Lectures on Yoga" if you care to try the method.

The insistence that 'faith is necessary to the process" is true, actually; the mental vibration caused by 'doubt" interferes with the (much subtler) mental process that would enable you to "see" subtler states of existence that lie behind the physical realm. However, if you ever were to encounter a "demon" I assure you you would come away with NO doubt whatever that it "exists". Many such things, however, are commonly encountered through the medium of other human beings, who "carry them around" with them; you would only see a "crazy person", but that "crazy" behaviour is motivated by demonic entities using the person as a "vehicle" (what is commonly referred to as "possession"). The demons prefer to 'hide" because that way they can get away with a whole lot more; if people knew they were there then they will be more likely to take steps to GET RID of them! Many hard drug addicts are "possessed"; one of the best ways to "pick up a demon" is through drugging and drinking.

Angels exist also, however they are of a much more 'rarefied" plane of existence, and so we crude humans rarely "see" them, and they too, rarely advertise their presence as well, though for different reasons. It is possible to 'call them up'; I have done so myself many times. One rarely 'sees" anything, but there is a distinct sense of 'presence' in the room when they are there, and if they speak, they do so to the inner ear, therefore if you were standing next to me, you would hear nothing, unless the angel was talking to us both. It would be simple enough to "prove"to your satisfaction the existence of such things, but it requires PROXIMITY, which we, of course, do not have! But rest assured, such things DO exist!

Answer 5

I assume you will agree to not come here and say that your theories are real, as you do not have proof that God does NOT exist.

Not ALL Christians say that evolution is not real. Your apparently do not know much about logic. Have you ever heard of a sweeping generalization? Surely you have!

You have no proof that JKesus was not crucified.
You have no proof that God did not create the universe.
You have no proof that The Big Bang occurrred.

It sounds fair to me. I guess we won't see you around here, making statements that you cannot prove.

Neither will I. I will tell you what I believe.

How about this as well? I won't say that your theories are "madness." You do me the same courtesy.

How about it, Yoda? Deal? Or are you arrogant enough to want a double standard?

Answer 6

Reality is what is.

Science is one way to pursue an understanding of Reality.

Religion is another way.

Neither is inherently more valid, although in some fields such as Medicine, Technology, and such Science is great. In other fields, such as Morality, Spiritual Living, and Meaning of Life, Religion works better.

Problems come from using Religion where one should use Science, and Science where one should use Religion.

Does that sound fair?

Answer 7

The whole point of having faith is that you believe without requiring proof. I suppose that religion SHOULD be about a group of people sharing the same FAITH. Ideally, proof shouldn't have anything to do with it.

Answer 8

I can prove that religions have inspired the greatest works of art in history. I'd rather not live in a world of ticky tack houses where everythings just the same.

I can prove evolution as well, :)

Answer 9

i might truthfully examine the problem further and make advantageous that the strategy we used to confirm our modern-day information is sound.i might additionally might desire to revisit the thought that the bible is a robust e book. There are sections I even have executed this with already yet at this element i don't have something that remains unexplained inflicting me any challenge. by the type it is not meant to be taken actually. whilst it says the Lord owns the farm animals on one thousand hills does this recommend the farm animals on hill 1001 isn't his? this could be a ludicrous interpretation. There are literal areas and figurative areas and we'd desire to continuously have the intelligence to confirm the version.

Answer 10

Most of my friends are Theists and all but one of them believe in evolution. Hmmm

Answer 11

"Theists, is there ANYTHING about your religion that you can prove?"

Sure there is. That is, I can "prove" it the same way that you claim that scientists can "prove" that evolution occurred millions of years ago when no one was around to document it.

Here's proof that Jesus rose from the dead on the University of Missouri-Kansas City Law School's web site. It is the type of proof that would carry the weight of conviction in a court room where every day people are sentenced to live or die according to the rules of evidence.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/jesus/greenleaf.html

Here's the beginning of what the link has to say.

Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greenleaf (1783-1853)

Greenleaf, one of the principle founders of the Harvard Law School, originally set out to disprove the biblical testimony concerning the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He was certain that a careful examination of the internal witness of the Gospels would dispel all the myths at the heart of Christianity. But this legal scholar came to the conclusion that the witnesses were reliable, and that the resurrection did in fact happen.
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In examining the evidence of the Christian religion, it is essential to the discovery of truth that we bring to the investigation a mind freed, as far as possible, from existing prejudice, and open to conviction. There should be a readiness, on our part, to investigate with candor to follow the truth wherever it may lead us, and to submit, without reserve or objection, to all the teachings of this religion, if it be found to be of divine origin. "There is no other entrance," says Lord Bacon, "to the kingdom of man, which is founded in the sciences, than to the kingdom of heaven, into which no one can enter but in the character of a little child." The docility which true philosophy requires of her disciples is not a spirit of servility, or the surrender of the reason and judgment to whatsoever the teacher may inculcate; but it is a mind free from all pride of opinion, not hostile to the truth sought for, willing to pursue the inquiry, and impartiality to weigh the arguments and evidence, and to acquiesce in the judgment of right reason. The investigation, moreover, should be pursued with the serious earnestness which becomes the greatness of the subject--a subject fraught with such momentous consequences to man. It should be pursued as in the presence of God, and under the solemn sanctions created by a lively sense of his omniscience, and of our accountability to him for the right use of the faculties which he has bestowed.