why is the US losing the war in Iraq? should it just leave?

Question

the hundred of thousands of civilians killed in Iraq surely mean that the US led invasion has failed in it's objective to safe gaurd the civilians. I'm sure saddam wouldn't have killed as many if he had been in power.

Answer 1

The US is losing the war in Iraq because there is nothing to win and they never should have gone there in the first place.

Of course they should leave, but they won't. Ever. Regardless of what the American people want.

Edit (to jackie w): millions, huh? Saddam killed millions? Care to back that up with some verifiable information? Oh but you can't, because it doesn't exist. He didn't kill millions, he killed thousands. Wow, the brainwashing done to you people worked better than they ever expected.

Answer 2

If you were a physically cabable man with morals (US) and saw your neighbor (Saddam) daily beat his wife and kids, what would you do?
Ok, so you called the police (UN), but they're too busy elsewhere to help and he's still beating them. Fact is it looks like he may kill her and the neighbor has taken to beating other wives in the area (Kuwait, Israel, Iran). What do you do?

Perhaps, take some friends (UK, Spain, Etc?) over and stop him?

The new problem is that other bullies (Iran, Al-Qaeda, Syria) in the area now start beating the kids. What do you do? Leave and let them be beat up? Or try to keep the kids from beating each up other (and being beat up by the bullies) long enough for their relatives to figure out how to run the household?

If you have done nothing at all to stop this, then the case can be made that you are as guilty as the man who killed the wife and kids. If while you are trying to stop it, some other neighbor beats his wife, there is little you could have done to stop that. If while you are protecting these kids, some of them beat each other up or are beat up by bullies, you have tried to protect them but we all know kids can be unruly. Perhaps if the other neighbors had cared a bit more and helped, they could have been saved but the bruises the kids have are the results of the bully and/or the siblings. They are not caused by the protector.

Not even the US can be everywhere all the time. And Saddam would have slaughtered as many Kurds and Shi'a as he could get away with. When terrorists kill muslims attending mosques, markets and funerals, the terrorist is to blame, not the US nor Iraqi government.

Answer 3

The news and the military reports contradict each other. There some serious problems on the side of the news industry.

One is that there are not enough reporters on the ground so they use the Associated Press. Now the main reporters of the Associated Press were caught naming a source that didn't exist which reported on violence that never happened. Instead of being fired, they were promoted to being the main editors. The Associated Press continues to use "sources" that were hundreds of miles from the incident, unnamed sources and stringers that "report" things they think the reporters want to hear and also could be enemy spies planting information. The reporters don't check up on things, because they don't want to.

What does the military say?
The CIA online World Factbook says that there isn't a mass fleeing of Iraqis, but there is a mass fleeing of Iranians and Saudi Arabians which might be going to Jordan which has a high immigration rate. The CIA online World Factbook also says that there were less Iraqis dieing per 1,000 than most "western" nations in 2006. In fact, the CIA online Germany and Italy had twice the death rate per 1,000 than Iraq in 2006. Iraq also has a huge birth rate.

Here are the military reports:
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While the news media reports all this violence that isn't happening the military is reporting things are not that bad.

Answer 4

The US is not losing and I dont know how you got the idea that it was...Not nearly as many civilians have died as the lousy media has lead the ignorant to belive...if you actualy went there and saw all the good being done and saw that the vast majority of civilian deaths have been caused by the insurgents and not the troops you would hopefully realize how ignorant you and much of the nation have been...three schools a church and an entire neighborhood is rebuilt and maybe three news stations cover it here and then one car bomb goes off and its all over the liberal media for days

Answer 5

Lack of clear goals, lack of experience in counter-insurgency operations, a misunderstanding of the political/social/religious situation in that part of the world and a general tendency to bomb the hell out civilians thereby alienating the very people they need to help them.
That just about covers it.

The thin moral justification for what was, frankly, a personal grudge-match is ridiculous. Why remove the only man stopping the whole region from degenerating into an anarchic blood bath? Why not intervene in any one of about twenty other countries (most of Africa, basically) where much worse things are going on?
This is a war conceived by the irrational and fought by the inexperienced. It could never have gone any other way.

Answer 6

He already did kill millions when he was in power by using chemical weapons on his own people.

Women being able to go out into the streets wearing what they want, and all people being able to participate in elections. Does that not impress you at all? We can fight Iran in Iraq or at home.