iNTELLIGENT design???

Question

If we are so complex to you guys, then we would need supreme beings to create us?

well..

where the hell would they have come from? an even higher supreme being?

and... CONTINUING IN THIS PARADOX...

pwnd.

occams razor

Answer 1

God is infinite. The laws of this universe He created don't apply to Him. He had no beginning and He has no end.

Answer 2

Kalam
1)everything that had a beginning had a cause
2)the Universe haf a beginning
3) Therefore, the universe had a cause
pertaining to the personality of the first cause
1)the univers had a first cause.
2This first cause's act to create was either determined, undetermined,or self determined.
3) but it can not be determined because there is nothing before the first cause
4) neither can it be undetermined, since this is contrary to the principle of causality.
5) Hence, the act to create must have been self-determined.
Oh by the way I believe you got the concept of ocham's razor wrong also.
No raul I was using kalam cosmological argument . As to ochams razor Go look it uo abd make sure it fits the situation. Once again merely diatribe on the non theist part rather than discussion.

Answer 3

Gravitation is a theory, just like evolution. If you discount evolution and believe in Intelligent Design (ID), you must discount gravity and believe in Intelligent Falling (IF) as well.

The general argument with ID is that the Supreme Being is God and God lives outside time. God can do magical things like creating something out of nothing. Santa Claus can do similar magical things by delivering presents to all kids around the world overnight with the assistance of his flying reindeer. Therefore you could even consider Santa Claus and maybe even the Tooth Fairy to be immortal Supreme Beings living outside time.

Answer 4

It is so complex to them because they are too poorly educated to know anything and too intellectually lazy to care. They are precisely the reason Americans are the scientific morons of the developed (and some undeveloped) nations of the world.

http://www.livescience.com/health/060810_evo_rank.html

Moreover, a recent study in the ‘Journal of Religion and Society’ found a correlation between the degree of a country’s religiosity and negative social behavior.

Among the world’s developed nations, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion. Within the United States, those regions that are traditional most religious have higher rates of, “homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems” than America’s more secular regions.

Conversely, those nations that accept the scientific fact and theory of evolution have lower rates of socially deviant and pathological behavior.

http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

---------------------
David F -

Thanks for proving my point. You must have skipped every science class in school, huh?

----------------------
David F -

Ignoring the fact that the ‘cause’ argument is not as clearly defined as the cosmology implies, the Kalam mumbo-jumbo of simultaneously accepting and contradicting quantum mechanics; the nature of causation in the philosophy of science and the physical laws of the universe; the meaning of infinities; and the interpretation of multivariate properties of series of varying lengths in the frequency and time domains – still does not mean there need be a creator.

It still boils down to either: abracadabra-> poof -> God; or demanding a solution to: either 2 + 2 = 5, or God exists. In either case, the entire argument is a game with no exit that is convincing to those who choose to believe and unconvincing to those who do not.

In any event, it has nothing to do with science or empirical reality.

As for Occam’s Razor, my scientist colleagues recognize me as the High Priest of Parsimony; and the Kalam Cosmology is anything but parsimonious.

Answer 5

I don't think we're intelligently designed. Who would put the playground right next to the waste management outlet?

Answer 6

Your razor's a little rusty, but you wield it okay.

Answer 7

Then, you keeping asking questions until you die.
The questions is keeping going infinite.
Then, you will get own.

Answer 8

From what I've seen, the "designer" was lacking intelligence -- and was probably psychotic.

Answer 9

well, that load of babbling was very un-informative, thank you for wasting your time sir.

God Bless.

Answer 10

ID is nonsense & certainly not science in any sense.

oh, except maybe science FICTION.