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Many times a scripture is used by trinitarians which is supposed to show the Father, Son, and holy spirit all being mentioned in the same breath. Somehow this is intended to prove that they are all equally God. That scripture is 2 Cor. 13:14:

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." - ASV.

Does that verse really say the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit are three persons who constitute the one Most High God? Doesn't it say, instead, that the Lord Jesus Christ is one individual, the holy spirit is another individual (whether a person or a thing), and that GOD is ANOTHER DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL?

Does it say Jesus is God? Does it say the holy spirit is God? No, it treats God as someone entirely separate from those two! So, either the inspired Bible writer is completely ignoring the person of the Father: "the grace of...Christ [an individual person]...the love of [a composite] God...and the communion of the spirit [an individual person or thing], or, since the Father alone really is the only true God (Jn 17:1, 3; 1 Cor. 8:6), Paul is including the person of the Father in this verse and properly identifying him alone as God (as all his readers at that time well knew.)

2007-07-09 13:22:16 · answer #1 · answered by tik_of_totg 3 · 0 0

i've got further the definition of Trinity below, yet i've got additionally heard it defined this way: think of of a rope. it truly is 3 seperate strands twisted jointly, those 3 strands make up one rope. you won't call a rope "ropes" because of the fact it truly is made up of three aspects, in simple terms such as you won't call God "gods". Trinity: a be conscious no longer latest in Scripture, yet used to particular the doctrine of the team spirit of God as subsisting in 3 diverse persons. This be conscious is derived from the Gr. trias, first utilized via Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Lat. trinitas, first utilized via Tertullian (A.D. 220), to particular this doctrine. The propositions in touch interior the doctrine are those: a million. That God is one, and that there is yet one God (Deut. 6:4; a million Kings 8:60; Isa. 40 4:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30). 2. That the father is a special divine individual (hypostasis, subsistentia, character, suppositum intellectuale), diverse from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ replaced into somewhat God, and yet replaced right into a individual diverse from the father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is likewise a special divine individual."

2016-10-20 11:43:46 · answer #2 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

it all depends on how you look at it and your beliefs. some people believe the father is god, the son is jesus and the holy ghost is the spirit while some believe that they are all the same once you explain how they are connected.

2007-07-09 13:20:43 · answer #3 · answered by TooSexy 1 · 0 0

Depending on the Christian denomination. Some believe it is 1 God & 3 essences within that 1 God while others believe there is 1 God but 3 separate & distinct persons.

2007-07-09 13:12:17 · answer #4 · answered by Concept Styles 3 · 0 0

I often ask the same question and after much research and asking..yep they are.. God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit..

2007-07-09 14:45:44 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Yes and no. We should choose the appropriate answer to make whatever Bible verse we're pondering seem inerrant and in full accord with whatever our pastor/priest/pope is saying.

2007-07-09 14:00:42 · answer #6 · answered by wise czar's soul 5 · 0 0

Yes--God is all and in all and above all. He is God the Father--God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.--What is impossible with man is common with God

2007-07-09 13:12:29 · answer #7 · answered by j.wisdom 6 · 1 2

Different parts of the same being.

The father exists outside of our universe.
The son, within out universe experiencing time like we do.
The holy spirit inside of all of us.

2007-07-09 13:10:20 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

Yes

2007-07-09 13:11:40 · answer #9 · answered by Big Daddy 4 · 1 3

Trinity: The central doctrine of religions of Christendom. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or less than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other statements of the dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Thus some Trinitarians emphasize their belief that Jesus Christ is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Jehovah. Not a Bible teaching.

What is the origin of the Trinity doctrine?

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In The Encyclopedia Americana we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

In what position does belief in the Trinity put those who cling to it?

It puts them in a very dangerous position. The evidence is indisputable that the dogma of the Trinity is not found in the Bible, nor is it in harmony with what the Bible teaches. (See the preceding pages.) It grossly misrepresents the true God. Yet, Jesus Christ said: “The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:23, 24, RS) Thus Jesus made it clear that those whose worship is not ‘in truth,’ not in harmony with the truth set out in God’s own Word, are not “true worshipers.” To Jewish religious leaders of the first century, Jesus said: “For the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’” (Matt. 15:6-9, RS) That applies with equal force to those in Christendom today who advocate human traditions in preference to the clear truths of the Bible.

Regarding the Trinity, the Athanasian Creed (in English) says that its members are “incomprehensible.” Teachers of the doctrine often state that it is a “mystery.” Obviously such a Trinitarian God is not the one that Jesus had in mind when he said: “We worship what we know.” (John 4:22, RS) Do you really know the God you worship?

Serious questions confront each one of us: Do we sincerely love the truth? Do we really want an approved relationship with God? Not everyone genuinely loves the truth. Many have put having the approval of their relatives and associates above love of the truth and of God. (2 Thess. 2:9-12; John 5:39-44) But, as Jesus said in earnest prayer to his heavenly Father: “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” (John 17:3, NW) And Psalm 144:15 truthfully states: “Happy is the people whose God is Jehovah!”—NW.

2007-07-09 13:14:08 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

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