Atheists ,,,,,,you accept , every art has an artist,,every beneficial thing has a craftsman,,,,,,,,,,,,?

Question

then how come you deny the Master, Artist,Craftsman of the this beautiful nature & universe ?
(Just remember,,,,even a simple needle has a craftsman..)

God is over the chain.
God does not look like His creatures and is not related with His rules.
Does a shoemaker look like a shoe ??
Why doesnt he has bootlace on his head ?

Answer 1

You cannot argue with Atheist. I once heard a story told like this, " An old men don't believe in God as a creator. One day, He came to his friend house. He see a nice picture. He asked, " Who painted this picture?". His friend said, " nobody, it is just happened.". His friend kept whining and said that he is a liar. ".

Answer 2

What about every rock. They have no craftsman making them.

If every beneficial thing has a craftsman - your proposition - then is not that craftsman beneficial, and therefore must have a craftsman. Who in turn is beneficial, and therefore must have a craftsman. Who in turn is beneficial, and therefore must have a craftsman. Who in turn is beneficial, and therefore must have a craftsman. Who in turn is beneficial, and therefore must have a craftsman. And so on to infinity and beyond.

This is obviously ridiculous, so you proposition MUST be wrong. Not every beneficial thing must have a craftsman.

The universe, the beneficial bits and the non-beneficial bits shows every sign that it is a purely natural occurrence.


Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
-- Douglas Adams,


Edit:
God is over the chain? What does that mean. Or is that just a cop out to avoid the logical conclusions of your premise.

Who cares what he looks like? Your premise is wrong. Period. End of story.

Answer 3

We know how arts and crafts are made. Because we have seen man make stuff we know man-made stuff when we see it.

We also know the processes involved in creating the world and the creatures in it. We have seen those processes at work.

We have also seen evidence of things that don't need a creator, such as virtual particles and Hawking Radiation. So, even your basic premise of a need for a creator is false.

However, if the universe was created by some process, that still doesn't demonstrate the need for a sentient creator.

Answer 4

Your premise isn't true.

I have studied artificial intelligence and written computer programs that use it. One concept in artificial intelligence is known as genetic algorithms. This is when simulations of the Theory of Evolution are used to develop intelligent behavior.

The idea is to create several random behaviors, provide a method of selecting the ones that provide the most desirable results after a simulation, and feed a slightly altered version of each of these selected behaviors into a second round of simulations.

After many generations of behaviors have been tested, the resulting population will intelligently perform the desired task. This is despite the fact that the initial behaviors were random and without any intelligence whatsoever.

The idea that it requires intelligence to generate intelligence is completely false. Scientists and engineers around the world prove that every day with the artificial intelligence programs they use.

Answer 5

Who crafted the Master, Artist,Craftsman of the this beautiful nature & universe ?

how come you deny the CRAFTER of the Master, Artist,Craftsman of the this beautiful nature & universe

Answer 6

You're reasoning by a bad analogy.


Nature is not art. It does not need a designer.

Further, I notice you make a hardline stance on how everything supposedly needs a designer, but then you cop out by saying that your god suddenly doesn't. In other words, you're denying the very premise you're trying to use to prove that there is a god.


We know how the natural world evolved. We have a good idea of how life originated, and we're certainly we know how species diversified (evolution). We have a pretty good idea of how the universe came about, too (Big Bang). None of this requires a god.

Answer 7

I swear if I hear this idiotic non-argument one more time I am going to have to break something.

St. Thomas Aquinas was an IDIOT. He used flawed logic to forward a faulty dogma.

This earth was formed, not by some mumbo-jumbo magic, but by an elegant dance of matter over billions of years, from the initial singularity which compressed to a point of explosion. Over the eons, balls of gas and dust formed as the well documented properties of gravity took effect, pulling together matter into tighter and tighter configurations, forming stars and planets. We were formed not by the hand of intelligent design but rather billions of years of progression. An all knowing and powerful being is not the beginning of all things but rather the end of billions of eons of evolution. The artist here is chance and the concept of natural selection.

Answer 8

reasoning that everything is some kind of "art" or "craft" is flawed. I took a dump yesterday. i made it. i would hardly consider it a work of art. Also by your logic, you would have to blame god for every bad thing since al lthe evil stuff had to have "craftsman" too.

Answer 9

What approximately whilst he creates scorpions, poisonous spiders and snakes, vampire bats, slugs, mosquito's, fireplace ants, melancholy, unhappiness, and suicide bombers? further: good evidence? those issues exist. you will discover them, you may get bit via them, or killed via them. in case you declare a god created each little thing, then he created them too. How does that for the duration of good shape alongside with your theory of springing up human beings satisfied? And what does any of that ought to do with "macro creation" regardless of this is? Your subject right that's which you're purely finding for the "good" issues. There are "undesirable" issues too. you need to take all this under consideration.

Answer 10

That is so whacked. What is easier to believe; a universe full of matter formed spontaneously from a bunch of energy, or that a personal being never did form, yet has existed forever, knows everything, is never seen or heard from (except in ancient mythology), and loves us so much he gives kids cancer and tortures those who don't believe in him?

Answer 11

Yes well we all know that people make these things. We humans have seen these things created. No one has ever seen a universe get created so its a very bad analogy.