For those who believe water baptism saves you, what about these verses?

Question

Acts 10:44-47 44 While Peter said these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them who heard the word... 47 Can anyone forbide them water baptism, who have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Hebrew 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Matthew 26:28 Jesus said, "Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, that is shed for many for remission of sins..."


Do you still think water baptism saves you & washes away your sins?


Then also consider the thief on the cross who confessed Jesus Lord and asked Jesus to remember him when Jesus entered His Kingdom. He wasn't water baptized either.

FatherK, I have never read/heard that martyrs are baptized by blood. The original meaning of martyr is persecution. All Christians are persecuted in all sorts of ways. So? There is something wrong with that. We are baptized into His death, meaning the old sinful man died. (And we die daily to the lust of the flesh, choosing to follow after the Spirit)
Thanks for all the verses. I know you are saved.

But why didn't you write what you think about the verses I wrote?

heckler99, I believe many do get born again when water baptized. Works without faith is dead. Faith without works is dead. See? There has to be an act of faith (work). So? I have been water baptized, but I don't believe the water baptism washes away our sin & but it is an act of faith in Jesus shed blood that washes away our sins. See the act has to be with faith in Jesus redemption. When people were baptized in the Spirit first, they wanted to be water baptized. Obviously they all were saved (believed in Jesus & acted verbally receiving salvation) and then they wanted to be water baptized also. Water baptism is Good.

Jean Marie, He who believes & is baptized shall be saved, and he who believes not shall perish. So? Believing is most important. The baptism is the Holy Spirit. Remember, we are to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit. And when Jesus was water baptized, He went into His Ministry full of the Holy Ghost. See? This is the Holy Spirit baptism. The water baptism represents the old man dies, the new man in Christ alive forever more.

Answer 1

Great questions Tammi.

1-Acts 10:45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues[a] and praising God.
__you know, I don't have an answer for this one. Wow, that's first-lol

2- Hebrew 9:22-We are baptized into Christs death upon water Baptism: Romans 6:3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

3-Matthew 26:28- yes, the blood saves us. Romans 6-we are baptized into christs death.

All I know is what the bible says, "Mark 16:15,16 - "He Who Believes and Is Baptized Will Be Saved."
Man says; He who believes is saved and may then be baptized.
bible says; "He Who Believes and Is Baptized Will Be Saved "

Everyone in the bible after hearing , believing and repenting were baptized right away. ASAP.
Good question Tammi, I'll check on Acts 10..that's a stumper...lol
God bless you
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Answer 2

Personally, I think a water baptism is merely symbolic to the spiritual baptism. The spiritual baptism saves you.
I am concerned. Are you faulting someone who wishes to have a water baptism? I have always believed that Jesus was a good role model to follow. If Jesus was baptized, then why shouldn't I do this as well.

Answer 3

in my opinion, i think of a water baptism is only symbolic to the non secular baptism. The non secular baptism saves you. i'm in contact. Are you faulting somebody who desires to have a water baptism? I truly have continuously believed that Jesus became a sturdy place type to stick to. If Jesus became baptized, then why shouldn't I do this besides.

Answer 4

I was born catholic. I believed for a long time that since i was baptized as an infant, I was 'saved'. Later I came to the realization that it wasn't the sacrament of baptism that i needed to be 'saved', but it was a relationship with God. I was later baptized again as an outward sign of what i felt inside.

I don't believe that one needs to be baptized to have a relationship with God. I don't think you even have to go to church. You do what you think God wants you to do.

Answer 5

There is also the baptism of desire! The water thing came from when John the baptist baptized Jesus in the water!

Answer 6

I agree with you. Water baptism is important but not a stipulation for salvation. It's done to symbolize what we did inside of ourselves when we repented and were cleansed of our sin by accepted what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Answer 7

As a Christian, i don't believe that baptism will make all my sins magically go away.. instead, it is a symbol of giving up yourself to God and a sign of forgivness from God.

Answer 8

Do you want to know what I think?

I think you have too much time on your hands bashing people like this.

Answer 9

You lack understanding on the bible. Read the bible again and again and again until you can understand it.
jtm

Answer 10

:::sigh:::::

The Church has always taught that there is something called "the Baptism of Blood" - i.e., Martyrdom. The so-called "Thief on the Cross" confessed Christ and died.

Secondly....please look up the following.

Have a nice day.

Matt. 28:19-20 - Jesus commands the apostles to baptize all people "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." Many Protestant churches are now teaching that baptism is only a symbolic ritual, and not what actually cleanses us from original sin. This belief contradicts Scripture and the 2,000 year-old teaching of the Church.

Acts 2:38 - Peter commands them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to be actually forgiven of sin, not just to partake of a symbolic ritual.

Matt. 28:19-20; Acts 2:38 - there is nothing in these passages or elsewhere in the Bible about baptism being symbolic. There is also nothing about just accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior in order to be saved.

Mark 16:16 - Jesus said "He who believes AND is baptized will be saved." Jesus says believing is not enough. Baptism is also required. This is because baptism is salvific, not just symbolic. The Greek text also does not mandate any specific order for belief and baptism, so the verse proves nothing about a “believer’s baptism.”

John 3:3,5 - unless we are "born again" of water and Spirit in baptism, we cannot enter into the kingdom of God. The Greek word for the phrase "born again" is "anothen" which literally means “begotten from above.” See, for example, John 3:31 where "anothen" is so used. Baptism brings about salvation, not just a symbolism of our salvation.

Acts 8:12-13; 36; 10:47 - if belief is all one needs to be saved, why is everyone instantly baptized after learning of Jesus?

Acts 16:15; 31-33; 18:8; 19:2,5 - these texts present more examples of people learning of Jesus, and then immediately being baptized. If accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior is all one needs to do to be saved, then why does everyone in the early Church immediately seek baptism?

Acts 9:18 - Paul, even though he was directly chosen by Christ and immediately converted to Christianity, still had to be baptized to be forgiven his sin. This is a powerful text which demonstrates the salvific efficacy of water baptism, even for those who decide to give their lives to Christ.

Acts 22:16 - Ananias tells Paul, "arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins," even though Paul was converted directly by Jesus Christ. This proves that Paul's acceptance of Jesus as personal Lord and Savior was not enough to be forgiven of his sin and saved. The sacrament of baptism is required.

Acts 22:16 - further, Ananias' phrase "wash away" comes from the Greek word "apolouo." "Apolouo" means an actual cleansing which removes sin. It is not a symbolic covering up of sin. Even though Jesus chose Paul directly in a heavenly revelation, Paul had to be baptized to have his sins washed away.

Rom. 6:4 - in baptism, we actually die with Christ so that we, like Him, might be raised to newness of life. This means that, by virtue of our baptism, our sufferings are not in vain. They are joined to Christ and become efficacious for our salvation.

1 Cor. 6:11 - Paul says they were washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, in reference to baptism. The “washing” of baptism gives birth to sanctification and justification, which proves baptism is not just symbolic.

Gal. 3:27 - whoever is baptized in Christ puts on Christ. Putting on Christ is not just symbolic. Christ actually dwells within our soul.

Col. 2:12 - in baptism, we literally die with Christ and are raised with Christ. It is a supernatural reality, not just a symbolic ritual. The Scriptures never refer to baptism as symbolic.

Titus 3:5-7 – “He saved us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which He poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ, so that we might be justified by His grace and become heirs of eternal life.” This is a powerful text which proves that baptism regenerates our souls and is thus salvific. The “washing of regeneration” “saves us.” Regeneration is never symbolic, and the phrase “saved us” refers to salvation. By baptism, we become justified by His grace (interior change) and heirs of eternal life (filial adoption). Because this refers to baptism, the verse is about the beginning of the life in Christ. No righteous deeds done before baptism could save us. Righteous deeds after baptism are necessary for our salvation.

There is also a definite parallel between John 3:5 and Titus 3:5: (1) John 3:5 – enter the kingdom of God / Titus 3:5 – He saved us. (2) John 3:5 – born of water / Titus 3:5 – washing. (3) John 3:5 – born of the Spirit / Titus 3:5 – renewal in the Spirit.

Heb. 10:22 - in baptism, our hearts are sprinkled clean from an evil conscience (again, dealing with the interior of the person) as our bodies are washed with pure water (the waters of baptism). Baptism regenerates us because it removes original sin, sanctifies our souls, and effects our adoption as sons and daughters in Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 3:21 - Peter expressly writes that “baptism, corresponding to Noah's ark, now saves you; not as a removal of dirt from the body, but for a clear conscience. “ Hence, the verse demonstrates that baptism is salvific (it saves us), and deals with the interior life of the person (purifying the conscience, like Heb. 10:22), and not the external life (removing dirt from the body). Many scholars believe the phrase "not as a removal of dirt from the body" is in reference to the Jewish ceremony of circumcision (but, at a minimum, shows that baptism is not about the exterior, but interior life). Baptism is now the “circumcision” of the new Covenant (Col. 2:11-12), but it, unlike the old circumcision, actually saves us, as Noah and his family were saved by water.

Again, notice the parallel between Heb. 10:22 and 1 Peter 3:21: (1) Heb. 10:22 – draw near to the sanctuary (heaven) / 1 Peter 3:21 – now saves us. (2) Heb. 10:22 – sprinkled clean, washed with pure water / 1 Peter 3:20-21 – saved through water, baptism. (3) Heb. 10:22 – from an evil conscience (interior) / 1 Peter 3:21 – for a clear conscience (interior). Titus 3:6 and 1 Peter 3:21 also specifically say the grace and power of baptism comes “through Jesus Christ” (who transforms our inner nature).

Mark 16:16 - Jesus says that he who believes and is baptized will be saved. However, the Church has always taught that baptism is a normative, not an absolute necessity. There are some exceptions to the rule because God is not bound by His sacraments.

Luke 23:43 - the good thief, although not baptized, shows that there is also a baptism by desire, as Jesus says to him that he will be in paradise. It should also be noted that when Jesus uses the word "paradise," He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol" meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Hence, the good thief was destined for heaven because of his desire to be with Jesus.

Matt. 20:22-23; Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50 - there is also a baptism by blood. Lord says, "I have a baptism to be baptized with" referring to His death. Hence, the Church has always taught that those martyred for the faith may be saved without water baptism (e.g., the Holy Innocents).

Mark 10:38 - Jesus says "are you able...to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?," referring to His death.

1 John 5:6 - Jesus came by water and blood. He was baptized by both water and blood. Martyrs are baptized by blood.