Can you look at this logic using science and Faith?

Question

In science, an opinion becomes a hypothesis
While studying it, a good hypothesis becomes a theory.
A theory being studied and monitored and investigated closely, becomes a Law.
A Law can still be disproved, but for the most part has been studied carefully to makes sense. Scientists have faith in their Law. Now, many people see religion as a "Law". It has been tested and twisted, and people have been trying to discard it for centuries, but yet it still remains. If Christianity was just an opinion, created from faith, it has proven itself worthy many times. Faith in Christianity can never be completely disproved. It it was possible, it would have been done by now. Faith in essence, was God's opinion, and his opinion, skips the theory stage and goes straight to Law.

Does this make sense? I used this an answer to a question about Faith a few minutes ago.

DuckPhup and Skeptic- Opinions are hypothesis'. They can be testable ideas. It is one scientists opinion that a certain type of bread will not grow mold in a week, and another scientist thinks it will. They have different opinions, and what are those called in science? A hypothesis. Christianity as a whole is a law that is still being theorized, but it is a law, because there is scientific evidene supporting it. I do know what I am talking about. I know science, and I am thinking about a major in Biology. Do you think I just woke up one day with this idea in my head? And when people refuse to look at my question seriously because they are an atheist, that is insulting. You don't want to have to be questioned about your complete lack of faith, so you smash my question to make yourself feel better. Just because atheists in general feel confronted by Christians does not mean you need to go on the attack.

You see a question about Christianity and pounce without even thinking about the possibility that Christianity does have physical and scientific evidence.

DuckPhup- Thank you for the revision.

Answer 1

Yes, in a sense it does. Faith leads one to God....once there (having a personal relationship with Him), faith becomes law as it is proven to the believer.

Answer 2

You are very mistaken in your terminology from a scientific point of view. They are common mistakes.

hypothesis are not opinions, they are testable ideas and they do not become theories.

Theories do NOT become laws - never.

Scientists do not have "faith" in any of these things.


So, most of what you said does not make sense.



EDIT: Where to start?...

"Skeptic- Opinions are hypothesis'. They can be testable ideas."

-Not necessarily. An opinion is something like "Apples taste better than oranges." That is it. One persons opinion. Another person may differ and nither is wrong. A hypothisis like "a certain type of bread will not grow mold in a week" is a testable idea.


"Christianity as a whole is a law that is still being theorized, but it is a law, because there is scientific evidene supporting it."

-Again you misunderstand the termonology. Laws are empirical generalizations. They state what, under certian conditions, will happen. Scientific laws can change or not hold undersome conditions. But as descriptive generalizations, they rarely EXPLAIN natural phenomen.

Look at a question I asked some time ago to give you a better idea (read it carefully):

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AnonjaVCeqDjHRsta.cNKPHty6IX?qid=20070111120752AAAHvcX


"I do know what I am talking about."

-Not according to what you've shown. But don't give up trying.


"I know science, and I am thinking about a major in Biology."

-You have a lot to learn but I wish you the best. I majored in plant biology and I've been very happy with my choice.


"Do you think I just woke up one day with this idea in my head?"

-No, a lot of people are confused about these terms. There is a lot of misinformation that is taught even in highschool.


"And when people refuse to look at my question seriously because they are an atheist, that is insulting."

- The very fact that I'm taking this time shows that I'm trying to take your question seriously.


"You don't want to have to be questioned about your complete lack of faith,"

- I thrive on being questioned.


"so you smash my question to make yourself feel better. Just because atheists in general feel confronted by Christians does not mean you need to go on the attack."

- I'm not attacking you. I'm just trying to point out the mistakes you've made. Isn't that what you've asked us to do?


"You see a question about Christianity and pounce without even thinking about the possibility that Christianity does have physical and scientific evidence."

-You are pouncing on me without even thinking about the possiblilty that I have looked at the so called "evidence" for Christanity and found it lacking (to say the least).

Answer 3

The fact that faith is called faith is evidence that it has no basis. Faith means to believe in something without proof or evidence. It's not a theory, or a fact or a law...it is belief in something unreal. There is no proof...just because it has lasted a long time does not mean that it is true. If it were true and proved, everyone would all be the same religion and there would be no questions or arguments.

atheist

Answer 4

"In science, an opinion becomes a hypothesis."

*** No. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation, to account for certain observed facts. ***

"While studying it, a good hypothesis becomes a theory."

*** No. A hypothesis must make a prediction... and it must be testable. Once a hypothesis makes predictions that are successfully verified, then it may be referred to as a theory. Theories provide an explanatory framework for certain sets of facts. Theories must have explanatory power and predictive power. ***

"A theory being studied and monitored and investigated closely, becomes a Law."

*** No. Laws have nothing to do with theories... nor with legislation. 'Laws' of science are consistent mathematical relationships that have been noticed, in nature. For example, the 'Law of Gravity' merely states that a 1-G gravitational field will add 32 ft. per second to an object's velocity, each second. Or Ohm's Law... Voltage = Current x Resistance ***

"A Law can still be disproved, but for the most part has been studied carefully to makes sense."

*** No. Laws are just consistent mathematical relationships. They will not be disproved. They are as reliable as 1 + 1 = 2. ***

"Scientists have faith in their Law."

*** No. 'Faith' has absolutely nothing to do with science... and 'faith' has subtle nuances of meaning which are unimportant in ordinary day-to-day conversation, but which become vitally important when dealing with questions of 'knowledge' and 'truth' and 'evidence'. ***

"Now, many people see religion as a "Law"."

*** Yes, they do... but there is absolutely no basis in reason for them to do so. ***

"It has been tested and twisted, and people have been trying to discard it for centuries, but yet it still remains."

*** This is an assertion that has no credible information to support it. ***

"If Christianity was just an opinion, created from faith, it has proven itself worthy many times."

*** I have never heard it suggested before that christianity was 'just an opinion'. Opinions aren't created from faith... 'beliefs' are. And I really have no idea what you mean by "proven itself worthy many times." Worthy of what? Condemnation? Fear? For every good thing that you can attribute to Christianity, I can point to just as many tortures, murders, depradations. Were you aware that Christianity is directly responsible for a 1,000 year reign of terror, and the destruction of 1,000 years worth of the accumulated knowledge of the Greeks and Romans? http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dark-age.htm ***

"Faith in Christianity can never be completely disproved. It it was possible, it would have been done by now."

*** Faith is not something that is even SUBJECT to 'proof'. 'Faith' (wishful, magical thinking) serves as a SUBSTITUTE for 'evidence'. You cannot prove or disprove wishful thinking. ***

Faith in essence, was God's opinion, and his opinion, skips the theory stage and goes straight to Law.

*** 'Faith' is used in place of 'evidence' that god actually exists... because there IS NO actual evidence that god exists. So, without having evidence of god's existence, it is 'logically' pointless to make assertions about his 'opinion'. And, as I hope you can see from what I wrote above, 'theory' and 'law' have absolutely nothing to do with this latest idea. ***

Does this make sense? I used this an answer to a question about Faith a few minutes ago.

*** No... it does not make sense. ***

Answer 5

Where to begin: Opinion, hypothesis, theory and law are all different things that have nothing to do with each other. When a theory becomes proven by repeated tests with the same conclusion, it becomes fact, otherwise it's still a theory.
Once it becomes fact, it can't be disproven, otherwise it isn't a fact.
Faith is the same thing as trust or hope...and trust can be broken. Hope can be lost.

Answer 6

These are two different types of faith. "Faith" in terms of believing scientific principles, I believe, is fundamentally different than religious faith. It is true that people have to have "faith" in scientific theory because much of it cannot be proven as there is no guarantee you will always get the same result every time one tests the theory. The difference is, the very moment we have evidence that proves these theories wrong, we will discard "faith" in these theories. The difference with religious faith is that for many religious believers, they will not discard their faith when evidence is presented that shows their beliefs to be wrong. This is blind faith and it is completely irrational.

Answer 7

"In science, an opinion becomes a hypothesis
While studying it, a good hypothesis becomes a theory.
A theory being studied and monitored and investigated closely, becomes a Law."

No, that's not right at all. Opinions, hypotheses, theories, and laws are all different kinds of things, and one does not "become" another.

No offense, but it sounds like you got that from one of the creationist sites that pushes that "it's only a theory" BS.
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"I do know what I am talking about."

No, you don't, and by compounding your false claims with insults, you've moved past honest mistakes into unwarranted attacks on those who DO know what they're talking about. You need to work on your behavior. False accusations against atheists aren't going to get you anywhere.

Answer 8

No. Problem with your definitions. A Scientific Law (and Scientific Theory) has been PROVEN to be true. Gravity, Relativity. Elasticity. String Theory. Chaos Math. All real.

A Law or Theory (big T) cannot be disproved. Sorry. That is one of the most erroneous aspects of the creationist argument, the assumption that something, once proven multiple times, can be disproved.

Theory of Evolution (natural selection) has been replicated thousands of times over thousands of years by scientists working independently of one another. Aristotle did work along this vein. I digress.

Faith can't be disproved? Faith. You believe. I can't disprove that. God can be disproved. Star distances disprove creation.

Here is some logic: Claim: God is omnipotent.

If god is omnipotent, then god can make a pancake too big for him to eat.
If god cannot make a pancake too big for him to eat, god is not omnipotent.
If god cannot eat a pancake too big for him to eat, god is not omnipotent.

God is not omnipotent.

Answer 9

That phenomena is more common with churches who emphasize feeling over the Word of God. Everything that comes to their minds is the "Holy Spirit" leading them. This happened a lot at the last church I was a member of. I am now a member of an independent fundamentalist KJV-only Baptist church. The upside is that I don't have to listen to people who are constantly seeking a spiritual high. The downside is that almost every Sunday I have to hear the turn-or-burn sermon.

Answer 10

A scientific Law cannot be disproved - if it is, it will no longer be a law. So far, that has never happened.

You keep saying 'Faith'. Faith is another word for HOPE. The best you can do is hope your religion is true. Christianity has absolutely not one shred of evidence pointing to it being true. There is NO WAY it can be considered a law.