I see that Pope Benedict XVI has revived the old Latin Mass, which includes a prayer for conversion of Jews.?

Question

What is your take on this?

Answer 1

First of all, Christians should pray for all people, regardless of some bad history. Concerning the Latin Mass, It was Vatican II one-half century ago that allowed common languages to be used but:

It is a revival of Medieval brainwashing because they think Latin is the language of heaven. They also said Jesus was tried by Pilate in Rome--remember the saints received a special blessings by ascending the alleged Pilate's Staircase on their knees.

Mystisism is necessary when Bible truths are suppressed.

Answer 2

*Is Catholic*

I am absolutely ecstatic about this teaching. The Holy Spirit has spoken through the Pope. Though personally, I am more excited about the supposed document that is to be released on the 10th of July -- the companion piece to 2000's DOMINUS IESUS.

It is good that the 1962 Missal be restored. Hopefully its restoration will help to correct the problems with the failed implementation of the current form of the Mass...a form that does not match what Vatican II desired. Pope Benedict has talked at length about this problem.

There is no 1962 parish nearby, and my Latin is poor, so I doubt that I will be seeing this Mass for many years. But it gives me great hope at the opportunity for working to reform the modern Missal and bring it into line with what Vatican II suggested, instead of being the "flat product of an instant" as Pope Benedict calls it.

As for praying for the conversion of sinners, that is what the Church is called to do by Christ Himself...to pray constantly for the conversion of all mankind. To the Jews belong the patriarch, the prophets, and the promise...if they would be only come to see that what they wait for in hope has occurred. If they only could see their Messiah.

Answer 3

One prayer said once a year can be resolved without much problem.

I think this is a new opportunity to experience the great diversity and variety that the Universal Church offers.

Here is the Pope's letter on the subject: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/letters/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20070707_lettera-vescovi_en.html

The Archdiocese of Los Angeles celebrates the Mass in the following languages of the people:
American Sign Language
Arabic
Aramaic
Armenian
Cambodian
Chinese (Cantonese)
Chinese (Mandarin)
Croatian
French
Garifuna (Ukrainian-Byzantine)
German
Haitian
Hungarian
Igbo
Indian
Indonesian
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Lithuanian
Native American Cultural Focus
Polish
Portuguese
Samoan
Slavonic
Spanish
Tagalog (Philippene)
Tongan
Ukrainian
Vietnamese

and

African-American Cultural Focus
Native American Cultural Focus

and, of course,

English

and now we can add Latin.

With love in Christ.

Answer 4

The conversion of Jews has been in progress since the very first day of the church.

Jesus was a Jew. All of the apostles were Jews. The Messiah came for the Jews.

The real scandal here (on all sides) is that, after some 2000 years, the Jews still remain unconverted.

There's no force implied here, other than the force of God's grace.

All the problems in the middle east would rapidly dissipate, if both the Jews and the Muslims (along with everyone else) would faithfully accept both Jesus Christ and the church that he personally founded, authorized, empowered, and eternally guaranteed, for the purpose of our salvation.

Answer 5

If no one has had a problem with this prayer in the last several decades, then I don't see why they would start now. The Tridentine (Latin) mass has been said in certain parishes all over the world without interruption, but after Vatican II it required special permission.

It was never abolished, just replaced as the ordinary expression of worship by the Novus Ordo mass.

The only thing the Pope's recent motu proprio did was remove the requirement for obtaining special permission, in order to make it more accessible to people who wish it. The Latin mass remains the "extraordinary" expression, though.

Answer 6

September,

The Catholic Church used to conduct all ceremonies (to include Mass) in Latin. Vatican II, a meeting of the hierarchy of the Church, voted some time ago to have the Mass be said in the language native to the Church area in which it was being celebrated. This decision did NOT disturb Church doctrine as it is not a tenet of belief in the Church itself. This authorization gives leeway to local pastors to conduct the Mass in Latin provided there is an 'audience' for it, that is, that those attending are versed in the Latin Mass itself and the translations of the prayers involved. Prayers for the conversion of the Jews to Catholicism have been said for hundreds of years. The last that I heard, prayers hurt no one and should seldom be denigrated.

Answer 7

The decision to revive the Tridentine Mass has been in the hands of local Bishops for more than a decade. This is old news.

A prayer for conversion of Jews . . . hmmm . . . there is a parish that celebrates the Tridentine Mass locally which I have attended a few times now, and I don't remember that part . . .

Do you have a copy of this prayer? In what part of the Mass was it? Do you have a link?

Answer 8

In 1994, Pope John Paul II advocated one world government. He also (that is the Vatican) signed an agreement with Israel to set up shop there (one world religion).

In the book of Daniel chapter 12, it talks about the abomination of desecration. This is where the original temple of worship set up by the Jewish people will be replaced by a Catholic temple.

According to the bible, this would signify the knocking at the door of the end of times as we know it.

Now, how does this all apply to the question--everything and in everyway, it is just indicative of what is taking place.

One world government, the microchip implant, and the elimination of at least one half of the world's population. Read Revealtions chapter six and nine. They speak of one fourth and one third of the world's population is going to be taken away.

Question is, "are you ready?"

Answer 9

>>What is your take on this?<<

1) What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. To quote a Jewish blogger, "it's problematic to demand that Catholics avoid praying that we Jews will be enlightened and convert when 'aleinu' isn't exactly a charitable prayer that the idolater's eyes might be opened to the truth of monotheism"
http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2007/07/whatever-just-d.html

2) The way people have been carrying on about this, one would think Jews are singled out. ALSO prayed for are heretics and schismatics, i.e. Protestants ("that our Lord and God may save them from their errors and be pleased to recall them to our holy Mother the Catholic and Apostolic Church...look down on those who are deceived by the wiles of the devil, that with the evil of heresy removed from their hearts, the erring may repent and return to the unity of Your truth. ") and pagans ("that almighty God may take away iniquity from their hearts, so that they may forsake their idols and be converted to the living and true God and His only Son, Jesus Christ, our God and Lord...free them from the worship of idols and unite them to Your holy Church for the praise and glory of Your name.").
http://www.bc.edu/research/cjl/meta-elements/texts/cjrelations/topics/1962_missal.htm

Personally, I think the prayers are much harsher toward Protestants and pagans!

Answer 10

A reactionary move by an extremely conservative man.