To all athiests and whomever it may concern?

Question

What is the likelyhood that a "designer/creator" exists, and also, what is the likelyhood that one doesn't exist? I agree with the "big bang" theory (not proven) so that means I believe the earth is billions of yrs. old and the possibility of "evolution", but give me your thoughts and theories of how space and time came to be..where did the "singularity" come from? What was before the singularity? And to christians, what was before god...very tough questions.

If you simply say "god" doesn't exist, isn't that exactly like a "christian fundamentalist"?except you would be a "big bang" fundamentalist"? (close minded to other options)

Jared, I wouldn't say a "huge invisible man" created everything, but If you say there isn't the possibility of "intelligent design" isn't that closing your mind to THAT possibility? You have to be a "free thinker"

sorry bernice, I can't see your link.

Answer 1

Well, if I was going to believe in creationism, then I would have to believe in intelligent design.

Since the North Pole doesn't look like this:
http://www.nearingzero.net/screen_res/nz067.jpg
As it would if intelligent design was indeed a true theory and actually applied to all things present in the real world and not just humans.

Well then, I guess that evolution, is once again left as the only contending theory given the empiricle evidence that has so far presented itself when actually using science.

Answer 2

I know this doesn't exactly answer the question but follow my reasoning.

1. Do you believe that matter, people,etc. exist? (If not, this probably isn't the topic for you anyway)

2. Isn't there equal chances of there suddenly being matter as there being a Creator? Both are pretty hard to believe, but if you believe in #1, you kind of have to believe one or the other.



Ok, so I don't think the Big Bang makes sense, doesn't science tell us that explosions make more of a mess, not order? (look at 2nd law of thermodynamics and entropy stuff)

And yes, I am a Christian, so for the "what was before God" ...there wasn't a before God. No I don't think we can understand it, (As I said above neither is easy to believe thats why its called faith, but not blind faith) But God isn't within time, which we are totally stuck in. ( like to think of it like a guy with the remote on a movie, or an author writing a story, he doesn't have to follow the laws of time the characters do.)

P.S. Can Bernice clarify?? Sorry, I don't get the cartoon.

Answer 3

Scientists are investigating what was before the big bang. The point is, a huge invisible man creating it is out of the equation, right? Anyway, I found the article in my source to be pretty helpful. They're finding more and more out about what happened those billions of years ago. And of course, the big bang has not been proven, but it's a pretty good working theory!

Answer 4

If the expansion was from a true singularity, current thinking suggests that no data is or can be available from a "before".

If time appeared with space, there was no "before".

A designer universe? There is the appeal to human-favouring constants and values, but the counter-argument is the weak anthropic principle.
The pro-creator argument for "irreducible complexity" is hotly contested. It's not at all clear that it would be arrived at if belief in a creator didn't pre-exist.

"This cannot have happened by chance/evolution (not the same thing!)" has to be used carefully if it is to be more than "I can't see how this can have happened."

Answer 5

I recently decided that we really *are* probably inside a black hole, in another much larger universe. I didn't want to go along with that idea before, but in light of the ubiquity of fractals, it just sort of rings true to me nowadays. Recursive definitions are mathematically happy.

I'm not strongly in favor of that idea though... there is not much of a problem with the singularity not having a cause. It doesn't need one. It can't have one, from our point of view, because there is no time before the big bang. Also because it is a singularity, cause and effect relationships (classical mechanics) are dominated by quantum effects and are no longer valid.

Answer 6

You know the " Invisible black matter" science has discovered in space holding everything together? Thats God. Who says its billions of years old. Maybe God created it that way. Its the way mortals look at things. Try this test. Take a pack of 52 normal playing cards. Arrange them in a box Ace thru King, and by suit, face up. Climb a 8 foot ladder. Throw the cards into the air. When you get all the cards to land in the same order as when you threw them. Then you've convinced me that 1 strand of dna could have evolved. When you get a few strands together please let me know.

Answer 7

I don't know, and neither does anyone else. But should we fill that gap in our collective knowledge with the god of the gaps? Or should the educated among us (which I admittedly am not) seek to explain it? Remember, humans used to think that the Earth was flat, and 50 years ago we couldn't even combat some of the diseases that we can *****-slap now. Including some forms of cancer.

Answer 8

this is too many questions at once, but I'll try to answer the one about the "before God" thing.
I believe that God was/is/will be. He has no beginning and no end, yet many beginnings, and many endings. Our limited minds have difficulty containing the concept of eternity. That's why many people don't think about it.

Answer 9

Maybe God IS the nothing or the emptiness that occured "before" the Big Bang...that is how vast and infinite God is?

Answer 10

I think that if one accepts a Christian definition of god, then, by definition, god always was. He is the uncreated creator. He is the First Cause.