How will a Jew recognize the messiah when he "returns"?

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Jewish "church????" Come on Christians, I'm hoping to get at least one reasonable answer from you. Does our eternal torment start immediately or will it be a gradual descent?
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ANALYSIS OF ZECHARIAH 12:10
10. "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication, and they will look onto Me whom (et asher) they have pierced and they will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep for Him like the weeping over a first born. 11. In that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem like the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12. and the land will mourn every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself; and their wives by themselves..."

The Christian reading of this passage is somewhat problematic. The words "Me" and "Him" makes it quite obvious that the text is speaking of two different subjects. The gospel of John acknowledged this and therefore rendered the passage as, "they shall look on Him whom they pierced." This New Testament mistranslation of Zechariah in and of itself demonstrates that the New Testament is fallacious.

To interpret this passage that at some future time the "Jewish people shall look unto Me (G-d/Jesus) whom they (the Jewish people) pierced" does not seem to be what John had in mind. It is important to note that according to John, Zechariah's prophesy was fulfilled at the time that the Roman soldiers pierced the side of Jesus. As it says in John 19:36, "For these things came to pass that the scripture might be fulfilled." John saw the two different subjects of Zechariah's passage as the Roman soldiers and Jesus.

"They (the Roman soldiers) shall look on Him (Jesus) whom they (the Roman soldiers) pierced.

There is an additional problem in this passage. The Hebrew words "et asher" are not found very often in scripture. When they do occur together the phrase is read as "concerning whom" or "concerning that" but never as "whom". You can see this by reading the Hebrew original of Ezekiel 36:27. (It is also interesting to note that the Septuagint does not translate "et asher" as "whom." Its translation does not at all resemble the Christian interpretation.)

The correct translation of Zechariah 12:10 should be.

"they will look onto Me concerning whom they have pierced and they will mourn for him"

This is consistent with the two subjects. By reviewing the context we can also understand of whom this passage is speaking. Starting with the beginning of Zechariah chapter 12 the prophet speaks of a time when the nations of the world will be gathered against Jerusalem to destroy it (Zec 12:3). On that day, G-d Himself will defend Jerusalem and destroy all of its enemies (Zec 12:4-9). G-d will pour out a spirit of grace and supplication toward the Jews. Grace is requested from G-d and supplication are directed to G-d.

This new spirit will motivate the Jewish nation to look towards G-d concerning those Jews (collective Jewish Martyrs) (see Hosea 11:1 for the Jewish people described as him. See Ex.1 etc. verbs of oppression in singular. Cf. Deut 32, Hos 8:3 and Ex. 19:2) who have been killed in battle prior to G-d's divine intervention in fighting our adversaries.

All the inhabitants of Jerusalem will mourn. This has obviously not yet been fulfilled, now or when the Roman soldier looked at Jesus.

This understanding is validated by the scriptural description that this mourning in Jerusalem would be "like the mourning of Hadadrimmom in the Valley of Magiddo." This refers to the death of King Josiah who was killed in battle with Pharaoh Neco (2 Kings 23:29-30). After his death all of Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him (2 Chron 35:22-25). In the same way that the Jews mourned over King Josiah who died in battle so too will the Jewish people in the future mourn over their war dead.

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/j4jlibrary/zechariah-1210.html
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Answer 1

The passage is found in Zechariah chapter 12 verse 10 but I would suggest reading the verses before and after to get the full context !!! You are God's special people and I will let you draw your own conclusions. Many of us christians thought that many jews were people of the book but sadly this is not the case. We wished more of you were so that you would not seem so spiritually adrift. If the leaders were on target in Israel they would not give up land so easilly, because God had given you His personal deed of the land to you all !!!
Ishmael might have been the first born but Ishmael was born out of "wedlock" and so he does not count as God's chosen vessel for the deed !!!

In all due respect to your reply, in my mind it somehow misses the mark. But that is OK !!! I understand !!!

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Answer 2

The Jewish messiah cannot return, since he has not arrived yet....
We will recognize our messiah by who he is and what he achieves. He will fulfill the prophecies attributed to him and all the textual requirements, which are:
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)

Answer 3

1) The Messiah will not "return", but come for the first time.

2) Not only Jews will recognize him.

3) "The moshiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)."

Answer 4

Well, a Jew wont be recognizing the Messiah when he 'returns' because the Messiah hasn't been on earth nor is anything in the Tanakh about him returning. Although many make believe that there is.

Christians believe that Jesus will be known because of the tribulation period that is to come before. There will of course, for some sects, be the rapture. Not all Christians believe that there will be a rapture or that it will happen prior to tribulation. But to those that believe in a rapture, they think that this will be a great tip off - Thousands upon thousands of Christians dissappearing into thin air, leaving only their clothes behind.

Secondly, there will be the one world nation, lead by a one world leader. Things get bad when he walks into the holy of holys, claims Revelation, and says that he is G-d. That is when supposedly the eyes of the Jews will be opened and they will realize that Jesus is the true Messiah.

From the Jews they will have the chosen marked, who will prophesy about Jesus. This is probably the first point where Christians believe that the Jews will believe in Jesus.

So yes, there is going to be suffering in the eyes of the Christians, because we didn't believe in Jesus to be raptured.

Answer 5

Will the average Jew recognize the messiah? Will anyone recognize Him if He does not come the way they expect Him? Which prophecies will He have to fulfill and which will others say these are not the ones? Has there not been a difference in expectation of the messiah from temple to rabbinical times? Which ones will be the ones to go by? Very deep question. Which definition of Jew? A jew by ethnicity or by practice? Or would the Christians be counted as part of Israel ( not to start an argument but a valid point I think)? So many possibilities and questions in one small question.

Answer 6

* Temple Rebuilt (Third & Final)
* Sin ceases to exist -- not atoned for, but annihilated.
* Every Jew on the PLANET returns to Israel.
* All people everywhere come to perfect knowledge of Torah, as it is inscribed directly on their heart.


These are just a few of the 300+ prophecies.

They also prove Jesus wasn't the messiah (Heck, the second temple stood the entire duration of Jesus's life).

Answer 7

By the prints in His hands and feet which He received in the house of His friends. He will stand on the Mount of Olives when Jerusalem is beseiged. Christ filled all the Old Testament prophecies and He was not accepted when He came the first time. The second time, there will be no mistaking HIm.

Answer 8

We recognise the messiah by his actions. He does not have any specific recognisable attributes beyond that if he does everything the messiah should do, then we know he is the messiah

Answer 9

Well,they are awaiting the Antichrist,which they view as their Messiah.They aren't looking for Jesus to return-as prophesied-in the clouds.But like the rest:All knees shall bow.." when the Parousia takes place.

Answer 10

When he shows up for the first time it will be easy he will fulfill the prophecies