Muslims...can a man or a god be both good and bad?

Question

Doesnt abolute righteousness mean no sin?...Isnt all sin bad?
I have asked questions about Allah being able to judge by degree...If Allah sees a sinful man and sees more good than bad isn't he calling sin okay? If Allah says this sin is less that the other sin isn't Allah making a degree judgement that partly good is okay? If something is partly good isnt that in reality bad? If your sandwich had rotten in it isnt the whole sandwich thrown away? The God that exisited before Muhamamd definitely said all sin is bad he did not agreewith sin and judged all men as falling short of his righteouness if a man was partly good he was indeed bad. the wages of sin is death according to the God that was before Muhamamd.. It is the reason man needed God's atonement all had snned and fallen short of the glory of God. If your dress was stained it was no good it was not kind of good... if your meat was starting to rot then it was bad meat not somewhat good.

You are absolutely correct all sin is too much sin for a righteous God who does not overlook any sin. One sin and you are out... Is God righteous or is he just knd of rihgtoeus he agrees wiht some sin but he has a limit... this means God is not a righteous God... he agrees with sin, He is no better than the sinner.

Its... there is no such thing as kind of righteous you are either perfect or you are not perfect and you are either good or you are evil..they are very different things you can not be both good and bad if you are bad you are not good.

The moor...If I understad your answer if Allah calls a sin and good deed then Allah remains righteous even though his act is not righteous... is this your point?

It does seem to me that if something is bad it cant be good as good means not bad... partly good means defective...bad...

When did Allah decide that bad and good can co-exsist in partly bad is not bad but still good? isnt the meaning of bad not good?

hampeh let's go real slow... If Allah is perfect and rightoeus as i said the God of Abraham who is before Muhamamd but is not in agreement with Allah.. this very question proves my pint yur allah judges a man worthy if his good out weighs his bad... the God of Abraham before Muhammad found us all guilty for any sin at all. If allah is perfect haen his judgement must also be perfect... doesnt this make sense? can Allah forgive sin because a man also does good..isnt this man still a sinner? Isnt any sin too much if
Allah is righteous? If i am perfect and I am judging man can I say that man is good if he is not perfect? or can I say that man is not good but its okay I forgive him and remain a rightteous being? Isnt saying something is somewhat good mean that the thing is bad? I dont see many things being sold saying thaey are almost good.. so we call that which is close okay. It almost works.. either God is perfect or he is not he can not be both good and bad..

Ignatious, amen my brother you worship a righteous and merciful God who paid the penalty of death for the ones he loves. Your God and mine is completely righteous and totaly merciful as he demands the penalty of sin be paid and he does not call righteous that which is not perfect.

Wind, While the true word of God does disagree with almost everything you say,,, I think you are saying Allah can not be righteous as he is God and above the law and does as he pleases. this does make a little sense as God is above the law but also remains righteous by nature. The God that was before Muhamamd was a righteous God and had to judge accordingly... We had the law to show us good from bad.
If mann could hav followed the law he would have been perfect and sinless and had no need for God's forgiveness as he had done no wrong. but we agree that all men sin..wiht the exception of Jesus who even the Qu'ran agrees is sinless. the god that was before Muhammad did find all men sinners and all sin worthy of death , It is the reason Christ did come to the world.

Catalyst, Can we apply absolute righteousness to Allah? Consider this if God is absolutely perfect can he overlook ANY sin or grade sins as lesser? If God is perfect is not ALL sin evil? If amn is imperfect and Allah says close enough is that not compromising his righteousness? I tell you the truth that God is perfect and he does not accept any that are less than perfect in his heaven. All have sinned and ALL have fallen short of God's glory....What is the answer do we all perish? Yes wihtout God to save us we all perish but through a rightreou and merciful God we can accept his taonment and those who accept his atonement become rihgteous as the penalty of deaht has been paid and through faith we are changed to his righteousness and we will be born again and made new.

Answer 1

There is only one who is Good, He is the one who can take us to the Father. His name is Jesus, the Christ. He is the Messiah. The Father looks at us through what Jesus did at Calvary. He only sees Jesus' Sacrifice and then accepts us on the Grounds of what He the Son of God has done.

Answer 2

Allah is the creator of the Universe, along with its laws that you call the law of nature, and us human beings are creature, that bound to obey Allah's order. Gravity is one of them, for example.

Allah made human differently from angels, which cannot disobey His order. Why ? Allah is willing. There, human can either obey His orders, or disobey them. If a human disobey Allah's order, then we can say that he/she is committing a sin.
On the other hand, if a human obey Allah's order, then we can say that he/she is committing a good deed.

We cannot say Allah is both good and bad, since good and bad can only be addressed to creature ( human and jinn ). Even animal can't be addressed that way. If a cat stole your fish, it can't be said that the cat is bad. It is only following its instinct, which is given by Allah as a means to survive.

Allah made it natural for human not having any sins when he/she is born, since they haven't go against any of Allah's order. But, every human is bound to commit at least a mistake in his/her life except those who died in infancy. Since Allah made human that way, Allah also open His fogiveness to everyone who ask for it.

Of course, it's Allah's right to decide whether someone's plea for fogiveness is granted or not. After all, Allah is willing.

Answer 3

The Finite will not comprehend the Infinite.

Allah TRANSCENDS all.

Whatever Allah says is Good is good. Only Allah can change the Nature of an event or an Act.

You cannot pin into the box of intellect. It is Faith, not dogma in any form (spiritual, logical, rhetorical, grammatical, geometric, etc.) that demonstrates the Power of Allah which in latent in Nature itself.

If you are going to take up the Thesis of Allah, you should know from inception that Allah cannot be defeated. Not by Man when he assumes to ascribe characteristics to HIM/her/It and then manipulate these characteristics into a projection of what Allah looks like.

You are attempting to construct a Graven Image out of That which cannot be Captured by the Imagination, and therefore you are destined to fail in the conception of Allah.

If you are going to believe, You Believe wholeheartedly. There is none of the answering of quetions with The tongue and mind. They are Answered by way of Life experience.



ORDO ab CHAO

Answer 4

Lets take you, for example
Allah, on the Day of Judgment, will weigh your deeds, good and bad.
Hopefully, you good outweighs the bad.
At the same time, however, He'll know that you have sinned and will still permit you into paradise, God-willing.
And, in the context or your question, you make it sound like if you sin once, your not getting into Heaven.

Answer 5

Agrees with sin? I won't put it that way. The correct terms is He forgives sin to whoever He pleases. The difference with your believe is God doesn't need "His only begotten son" to suffer for merely 3 days and die for Him to forgive sins of humankind, and there is no such thing called original sin. Forgiveness is His absolute discretion and unconditional as He is Oft-Forgiving.

What's the matter with the phrase "God before/during/after Muhammad" anyway? Why Christians are so tied up with "my God vs your God", "God of Bible vs Allah of Quran" etc? There is only one God, Lord of the Worlds, no matter how you perceive him.

Edit: God existed before Muhammad? You mean, He no longer exist?

Answer 6

Firstly, there is no "a god", for Muslims there is just one God. For God there is no question of being bad. He is the One from Whom all goodness emerges. Whatever is good in humans is a reflection of Him.

One of the qualities of God that Muslims look up to is All-Forgiving. We all make mistakes. We all err. What is good in Islam is that whoever repents sincerely and with all his or her heart is then as good as new. This is one of the big mercies of Allah. He loves His creation a lot. The person who loves one most in this world selflessly and without any expectation of return is one's mother. In a saying of Prohet Muhammad (peace be upon him) it is said that Allah loves one seventy times more than one's mother. So you can imagine how indulgent He is.

We all make mistakes. But each person's mistake has that persons backgorund and circumstances associated with it. So each person would be judged in his or her own circumstances and scenario. For example a poor person who has just enough money to meet his own requirements is not supposed to give obligatory share of his wealth for the poor but a rich person is and the rich person is answerable for each penny he spends more than a poor person is. Each judged in his own circumstances. However, even if this rich person, who was supposedly spending his wealth on useless things repents before he is dead, Allah in His mercy can forgive him altogether.

Another interesting thing is that for Allah, deeds will be weighed not counted. This means that the intention of the person for doing soemthing is really important. Take the previous example. The poor person wants to help someone, he can just spare a small amount and that too by cutting his own needs. Maybe this act of his will weigh more in front of Allah than a rich person who is donating millions in charity. The poor person is not bestowed with wealth but this does not reduce his chances of doing good as compared to a rich one who has millions to spare. In fact, the rich person has an added responsibility of using his wealth properly. That is why Muslims often pray to Allah that they be given insight to correctly utilize the material blessings bestowed upon them. The person with higher position of influence in soceity has higher obligation too. For him the frame of reference is stricter than for a poor helpless beggar.

Allah is merciful. However, there are some deeds which He does not forgive (unless the person repents and corrects his ways before he is dead). One of them is shirk (or making someone partner with Allah). This means literally as well as metaphorically.

So as I tried to explain One cannot apply the idea of absolute good and absolute bad to people as you said. Everything is relative to the person's circumstances and surroundings. However, a good Muslim does not just dwell on Allah's mercy but tries to stay clear of the grey areas that might be in the realm of bad. But no matter how good one thinks one is, one always prays to Allah for forgiveness because one never knows what wrong thing one might do even inadvertently.