Idols, ... nothing about not making graven images.
Hmmm
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Exodus 20: 4,5,6 .. is the second Commandment.
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So imacatholic, why does the Catholic church not have any reference to verses 4, 5, 6 , in this new version? The one not used in 100 AD.
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I guess what I'm really asking is why your Church uses graven images?
I've heard the "you don't understand" speech before.
I doesn't explain why Pope John Paul II , took the idol of Mary from Fatima Portugal to the Vatican to pray to it in a glass closet. If he is God's #1 man on earth why did he pray to a statue when he gets his direction from God?
2007-07-04 11:34:49
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answered by 1Netzari 4
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Yes, they changed them! But, you already know that! I'd like to present a version that you might enjoy. It's called The PickieChickie version:
I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt have no strange Gods before me. Since the Catholics have decided the Pope is not strange, he can be God for me on earth.
(original 2nd omitted. We didn't like the way God wrote this one on Moses's tablet so we've changed it for you.)
2nd. Commandment;
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
3rd. Commandment;
Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. (***Please note that we have changed it from the 7th day to the 1st day so it will coincide with the pagans who worship the sun so we can get along better. Get it: SUN + DAY = SUNDAY!!!)
4th. Commandment;
Honour your father and mother.
5th. Commandment;
Thou shalt not kill.
6th Commandment;
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
7th. Commandment;
Thou shalt not steal.
8th. Commandment;
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
9th. Commandment; (actually the 10th devided)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
10th. Commandment; (see above)
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.
**Please note that if you decide you want to break any of God's laws above, all you have to do is come down to our erase-a-sin booth and it's all good!**
(P.S. Moses over reacted when he threw the first set of tablets on which God wrote the TEN COMMANDMENTS with his own finger............. seriously! We've decided it's okay to pray to images and have a large selection available of them for sale in most of our church lobbies!)
2007-07-05 13:49:00
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answered by Anonymous
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There are those Protestant belivers that will go threw the KJV or even the new KJV and site scriptures to support their belief that it was Catholism which moved the observance of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. The reasons are long. and must be read to consider. How ever in brief the belief was that in 380AD or there abouts in the gathering of Leocean Council, was when it was changed. The then Roman Empere decided to move his capital to what became Constantenople and left in Rome a Bishop in charge of the "Political vaccum of the Time". The politics of the time were to protect the then organised Roman Empire. By the act of supposedly becoming a Christian Constanine made a political act which wed Religious and political power together under a then Bishop of Rome. Thus was a "Papal" institution created. By virture of the unrest in the Empire with the Hebrews striving to regain land promised to them by the God of Abrahm, Issac and Jacop, the Romans/Pope declared Sunday to be the day of worship. This was to seperate the Christian from the Hebrew contingent of the newly rising Christianty. Even Catholic scholars have agreed to the reason for a change. This change refers to the keeping of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath. Further difference can be found in the last of the ten commandments in that the, making of graven images has been dropped and the final commandment has been divided into two statements. Other wise without the dropping of the "Graven images" all of the worship offered to various Saints and the Virgin Mary, would come back to bite the Catholic religion.
May I submit a good close reading of Daniel and Revelation could be most interesting as well as the gospels. Pay close attention to Revelation. There are sites in the inter net which will help a person understand the "Symbolisms" used in Revelation such as the "Scarlet Woman" and the Woman in White"...
2007-07-04 19:36:37
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answered by quietgrandpaforchating 2
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I tried explaining to you that the first commandment in the Catholic Catechism is the following:
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a1.htm
From the Baltimore catechism:
198. What is the first commandment of God?
The first commandment of God is: I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt not have strange gods before Me.
Thou shalt not have strange Gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. (Exodus 20:3-4)
http://www.truecatholic.org/baltp2.htm#Lesson16
You told me that I am a liar.
Please post the link to the "General Catholic Catechism"...I googled this phrase but could not find anything
2007-07-04 21:20:08
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answered by Sldgman 7
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There are actually three versions of the Ten Commandments, Jewish, Catholic (and Lutheran), and Protestant taken from Exodus Chapter 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy Chapter 5:6-21.
With the new revelations of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit in the early Catholic Church, a slightly different emphasis was placed on different commandments.
Then 1500 years later, the Protestant in objecting to certain Catholic practices, once again changed the emphasis of the Ten Commandments.
+ Jewish Ten Commandments (before 1000 BC)
1. I am the Lord your G-d who has taken you out of the land of Egypt.
2. You shall have no other gods but me.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your G-d in vain.
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy.
5. Honor you mother and father.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not bear false witness.
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Source: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/ten_cmds.html
+ Catholic (and Lutheran) Ten Commandments (about 100 AD)
1. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
3. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it, you shall not do any work.
4. Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which the Lord your God gives you.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ***, or anything that is your neighbor's.
Source: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt1ind.htm
+ Protestant Ten Commandments (about 1600 AD)
1. You shall have no other gods but me.
2. You shall not make unto you any graven images
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
5. Honor your mother and father
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness
10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
Source: http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/10%20Commandments.htm
With love in Christ.
2007-07-04 21:11:29
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answered by imacatholic2 7
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Actually its Thou Shall Not Murder. Thou Shall Not Kill is mistranslated.
Thats why a soldier , by christian beliefs, can go to heaven even if he has killed thousands in a war.
2007-07-04 18:44:50
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answered by lynda_at_work 2
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primarily the christians renumber them, and emphasize different parts. the attached page lists a chart of jewish numbering vs different versions from different christian sects.
basically Judaism has the self-identification as #1, no other gods, and no idols, together as #2. with name in vain as #3, ...
according to that page, catholics split coveting the wife and coveting the house into 2, when the other sjust have it under one "coveting".
2007-07-04 18:38:08
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answered by RW 6
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What your question does illustrate is that monuments including numbered 10 commandments cannot be displayed on government property without coming down on one side or the other of this religious controversy. Therefore, any such display violates the establishment clause of the US Constitution.
2007-07-04 18:42:41
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answered by Darrol P 4
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not really
they number them differently
same list different numbering... the numbering is not in Exodus 10... only the list is
Catholics tend to group the Protestant 1 and 2
while Protestants tend to group the Catholic 9 and 10 about coveting In the end it is a superficial difference
2007-07-04 18:37:25
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answered by whirlingmerc 6
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The catholic church changes their doctrines every other week or maybe every other day .
Catholicism is the biggest quagmire of nonsense that goes under the guise of "christianity".
God bless Martin Luther & John Calvin.
2007-07-04 18:36:54
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answered by Anonymous
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