Nonbelievers Only: Think of the Universe as a Clock.....?

Question

.....Those parts didn't just come together on there own, someone or something had to put it together. So how did the Universe even get here without a God to put it together?

Answer 1

Did hydrogen and oxygen decide to come together so they could become water?
Did a pig donate a leg, and did a chicken give a couple of eggs so you could have a nice breakfast?
Creation does not always happen intentionally.
Things can definitely be "created" by an accidental accumulation of atoms.

Answer 2

I don't understand the analogy. What "parts" compose the universe? If god, in fact, always existed (and always will exist according to some) why is it a stretch to conclude that the universe always existed? Why is there a need to put a beginning to every phenomenon? To say that every physical event has a start, and that of necessity the start must come from a god, is a tad absurd. What was he/she/it doing before the big start? Just hanging? There are much better arguments in defense of the existence of a god. This one is kind of simplistic and not very well thought-out....

Answer 3

What you dont understand is that there was ALWAYS something there. Nothing cannot exist, its just impossible. Even when the Universe ENDS, there will be matter left over from the Universe's fate. The Universe was created when matter, ALREADY PRESENT, accidently reacted, causing "The Big Bang". This caused the evolution of galaxies, and, eventually, the universe. I imagine you're a christian, in which case id reccomend investigating the FACTS that are, Evolution, Big Bang, Darwinism. These things have something called EVIDENCE, while religion has nothing. Hurrah for logic, down with religion.

Answer 4

Your premise is flawed from the beginning. The universe is NOT a clock, it is the universe. The parts which make up this universe did, in fact, come together on their own, with no intervention from anyone. Whether or not there is a God who set up the universe in such a way as to make it POSSIBLE for such things as are in our universe to self-assemble, is a question I am poorly equipped to address. I am aware of the limits of my human brain, and unlike much of the rest of the world, I am not so arrogant and presumptious as to think that my brain is capable of knowing the mind of God in any detail.
I address that last sentence to those who DO so presume, and prevail upon them to ponder their own limitations.

Answer 5

Yes but the universe is NOT a clock.

That's like saying think of God as a clock. God didn't just come together on his own. Who created god?

Answer 6

I don't understand how math gets to have imaginary numbers to help explain all including the infinite. Can't we have something that explains the infinite and call it real? Couldn't we just as well say the imaginary numbers are as real as the real numbers, if we don't "know" anything? We get the sense of knowing from the fact that creation is finite and can be know by a mind big enough to know. He tells us because He knows. and then we know, else we wouldn't know. "The spirit of truth leads you into all truth, even the deep things of God." If anyone who is a mathematician can explain imaginary numbers I sure would like to listen as I always start with the proposition that I don't know in order to look at things afresh to understand them, although if we can't, it sort of gives us no peace. If you can imagin the end from the beginning you get a breather. I'll bet even energy rests once in a while. You know, like when it disappears and shows up somewhere else.

Answer 7

There are rules to the universe that put all things together. You can see the same rules in other galaxy and planets as well as our own. Rules such as physics, gravity, theory of relativity. Why does everything need something to arrange it? Flowers grow wild every which way. You honestly believe god is arranging all the flowers to be most ascetically pleasing?

Answer 8

I have a mind-blower for you.

I think the universe has always been in existence. There was no creation of it, there will be no destruction of it. The universe is infinite, in more ways than one. Humans have a complex with time. "When did it happen?" I think "it" never "happened". Infinity is sometimes beyond the human's grasp of thought. Step out of the box sometimes and see what you come up with...

Answer 9

Please take a physics class. The universe is not a clock. It does not work particularly well, and 99.999999999% is uninhabitable by humans. Parts of it blow up randomly, possibly killing thousands of civilizations. And it all came about through basic physical laws. We know how it could have happened naturally, we see it happening, therefore there's no need for a god. Unless of course you've never looked into it at all, looked up one day and said 'I don't get it! Must have been god!'

Answer 10

Personally I believe reality is ultimately mathematics (necessary logical truth) . It only looks like space and time because we see so little of it. Nothing is ever really created. The key here is a powerful selection effect (our existence ) which selects the portion of reality we find ourselves in. Only in very interesting portions of this vast infinite reality could we evolve.

Our understanding of reality is layered. You see the world in terms of large physical objects. But you are aware that those are illusions made up of atoms, and atoms in turn are made of smaller particles. Many believe that these so called "fundamental" particles are not fundamental but are built on a layer of mathematical objects called strings. My belief is that all reality is built upon mathematics and mathematics is what is truly fundamental.

The reason why we see top layers instead of lower layers is due to our inability to see all of the the details in the lower layers.

The reasons for my belief are way too involved to cover here so I will just post a link to something simple enough that you might understand it. I fear my actual reasons are likely to be well beyond your comprehension unless you have a very advanced gaduate physics background.

http://arxiv.org/ps_cache/arxiv/pdf/0704...


As mathematics ( necessary logical truth ) is fundamental and necessary it is not created. Existence simply equals necessary truth. Mathematics "just is" because it is necessary and tautologically simple ( Zero complexity ). But Mathematics does not create reality. Mathematics is reality.

The problem with the design hypothesis is your god needs to be more complex and hence more unlikely than the reality you are attempting to explain. Saying your god just is, still leaves a much bigger question than you had to begin with.