If the universe wasn't created with some sort of intent by a divine creator(s)...?

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would't thinks be a little less detailed? a lot more chaotic? perhaps more "globby" and not exactly to the point in some areas?

i don't know but i think some of you are starting to see the picture... you can do it just open your eyes my friend... smile they love you!

nicely put antibiotic viod but i still disagree with you...

i'm not talking about man made social chaos. i'm talking about the lack of chaos within nature...

Answer 1

All i know is that creation wasn't an accident.

Answer 2

IMO, the universe was in this state for a time. It is the adaptive nature of organisms and physics that denotes the quality of design in our universe. Whether or not you put this down to a "Creator" is up to you. Personally, I do not see how the universe really is "organised" in any way. Take the thousands of species of fish on earth that, to be honest, don't seem to be doing an awful lot 'cept eating each other and making more fish. Humans are a tiny blip in an infinite reality. Because we are sentient, we may organise our own lives, but we only require this because we are surrounded by chaos. Therefore, I think that chaos is anything the human mind perceives it to be, and changes as we change.

As for being "to the point", there are still a lot of questions that remain unanswered about the universe. I would never call today's world to the point - it's hazy in so many areas, and the only world that is truly clear to us is our own world, inside our own heads. I believe that only man has need for a God (Feuerbach Theory), and whether or not he exists is inconsequential - it is our requirement for understanding of a chaotic universe that demands an answer and produces the simplest - God.

Answer 3

I'm an Atheist, so for a minute here, let's suppose that God did create the world. Over billions of years the Earth has changed - drastically. Through ice ages, through droughts, through wind storms, and natural erosion. With all that, we have the world we know and love today. Supposing it was created by a divine and omnipotent deity, nature's course has changed it to a point where it's become nothing like it was billions of years ago.

It's chaotic, but it's controlled. It's globby, but it's beautiful. People underestimate the power of nature and it's ability to change.

Answer 4

Not at all. Life, matter, all relate and are affected by natural laws (i.e. gravity, etc). I would say just the opposite of you. If some all powerful being waved his hand to create all then it would be much more full of chaos. Look at all of the fine detail in life, in objects, and how it all relates, and yet how it is all full of flaws. If your omni-potent god created it all wouldn't it be perfect? Upon observation and logic it is extremely clear that all of this has evolve, developed and wasn't just flashed into existed by a sky daddy.

Answer 5

Claim CF002:

Complexity does not arise from simplicity.
Response:

Complexity arises from simplicity all the time. The Mandelbrot set is an example (Dewey 1996). Real-life examples include the following: A pan of water with heat applied uniformly to its bottom will develop convection currents that are more complex than the still water; complex hurricanes arise from similar principles; complex planetary ring systems arise from simple laws of gravitation; complex ant nests arise from simple behaviors; and complex organisms arise from simpler seeds and embryos.

Complexity should be expected from evolution. In computer simulations, complex organisms were more robust than simple ones (Lenski et al. 1999), and natural selection forced complexity to increase (Adami et al. 2000). Theoretically, complexity is expected because complexity-generating processes dissipate the entropy from solar energy influxes, in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics (Wicken 1979). Ilya Prigogine won the Nobel Prize "for his contributions to non-equilibrium thermodynamics, particularly the theory of dissipative structures" (Nobel Foundation 1977). According to Prigogine, "it is shown that non-equilibrium may become a source of order and that irreversible processes may lead to a new type of dynamic states of matter called 'dissipative structures' " (Prigogine 1977, 22).
References:

Adami, C., C. Ofria and T. C. Collier, 2000. Evolution of biological complexity. Proceedings of the National Academy of Science USA 97(9): 4463-4468. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/9/4463
Dewey, David, 1996. Introduction to the Mandelbrot set. http://www.ddewey.net/mandelbrot/
Lenski, R. E., C. Ofria, T. C. Collier and C. Adami, 1999. Genome complexity, robustness and genetic interactions in digital organisms. Nature 400: 661-664.
Nobel Foundation 1977. The Nobel Prize in chemistry 1977. http://nobelprize.org/chemistry/laureates/1977
Prigogine, Ilya, 1977. Time, structure, and fluctuations, http://www.nobel.se/chemistry/laureates/1977/prigogine-lecture.pdf
Wicken, Jeffrey S., 1979. The generation of complexity in evolution: A thermodynamic and information-theoretical discussion. Journal of Theoretical Biology 77: 349-365.

Answer 6

For some reason you seem to think that nature alone is not capable of creating the detailed, complex world in which we live, when in fact, it is. Give something 5 billion years of eveolution and you'd be amazed at what can result. Give nature some credit!

Answer 7

Believing in a god and being spiritual does not mean you have to ignorantly deny the facts of science.

Answer 8

it was exactly like that before. we're "a little more detailed" now but there are still hazy parts of the world... we didnt come here just like that *snap fingers*

Answer 9

There is chaos. For this brief time in history we have a habitat fit for our form of life. enjoy it.

Answer 10

This question probably just set you up for a lot of creationism and ID are unscientific and stupid answers, but I agree with you anyways.