***ATHEISTS: are you really atheists or are you agnostic?I'm confused....?

Question

By definition,atheism is the world view that denies the existence of God.more specific,traditional atheism affirms that there never was,is not,&never will be a God in/beyond the world.Can this dogmatic claim be verified?atheist cannot logically prove God's nonexistence.To know that a transcendent God does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things(omniscience).To attain this knowledge would require simultaneous access to all parts of the world&beyond(omnipresence).To be certain of the atheist's claim one would have to possess godlike characteristics.Obviously,mankind's limited nature precludes these special abilities.The atheist's dogmatic claim is therefore unjustifiable.Logician Adler"atheists attempt to prove a universal negative is a selfdefeating proposition"Sophisticated atheists are fully aware of the philosophical pitfalls.Redifining atheism:"an absence of belief in God"aka agnosticism.So b/c atheism is invalid,are you really atheism or agnostic?hmmmm....?

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i just want to know how oyu can believe something in the same way others believe that you are so against? merely out of assumtion....

i know the difference between the two,i've studied them,but it eems hypocritical to believe out of assumption when you are so against it when others cannot prove their beliefs?

CAN YOU PROVE atheism????? no, my point exactly! then youre no better than anyone else,right?

my point: most of you believe bc lack of evidence...but htat is NOT atheism!! that would make you agnostic...

my point: most of you believe bc lack of evidence...but that is NOT atheism!! that would make you agnostic...

***Rachel: just so you know, in case you cant realize this on your own..I never even brought up my religion/and or what i believe. so why are you assuming?i could be agnostic for all you know!

*how to spot an athiest: you are saying the same thing every other "athiest" is saying but it doesn't change the fact that atheism is just the knock-off of being agnostic;rather just the extreme of an agnostic...b/c you dont KNOW 100% that there is no God. true or not? if not, prove it to me... (w/o your opinion please!)

THE CONFIRMED ATHEIST:once again NEVER said i was Christian (my religion is not what i am debating here)!!!! so you can delete your answer since it has no relavence at all!!!! thanks though! :-)

we all have the right and ability to believe what we choose..I am just wondering why you believe what you believe b/c just like Christianity or Catholisism it is about your faith of lack of faith. it's not actually a fact. to you its tru but then why crucify others for their beliefs not being fact and merely truth to them, it's the same thing, right?

***CATHERINE: i know the def. of both i was just asking b/c as you can tell by alot of the answers i recieved..there are some who call themselves athiest but in reality they just don't know if there is a God. thank you for understaning my question...I know that nobody can prove with complete fact that there is or isn't, it's just a matter of what you believe. Thank you for being honest and not saying that you can! :-)

Answer 1

No, the definition of atheism is one who does not believe in the existence of God. One need not say that they know for a *fact* that there isn't a God. An agnostic is someone who does not claim belief *or* disbelief. They simply say "I don't know."
I'm an atheist. I do not believe there is a God, but I can not say that I know with 100% certainty that there isn't one. I can not believe that there is a God until I see some compelling evidence that there is one.

Answer 2

You should try searching before asking the same droll questions. Also, considering you're just copying and pasting, don't think for a moment that makes you clever, it's not even a concept you thought of yourself.

Additionally, here's an answer that I wrote.

Absolute knowledge of the non-existence of God is not necessary to be an Atheist. All that is necessary is sufficient evidence that all of the Gods represented on Earth are man-made. There is sufficient evidence of these claims. God cannot exist as laid out by the Bible. He possesses multiple mutually exclusive traits that cannot be contained simultaneously by the same individual. If all religions are man-made, then the concept of God is man-made. That being said, there has never been a shred of evidence to support the existence of such a being. This makes the idea of the existence of a God illogical. The disbelief in all gods is fulfilling of the requirements of an Atheist by its definition.

I can elaborate further if necessary.

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The problem only lies in the fact that you are unaware of the definition of an Atheist. Absolute knowledge is not necessary for disbelief. Just because this concept is over your head, does not make it any less valid.

Answer 3

I don't believe there are any gods or polka-dotted chimpanzees dancing on my head. I don't see anything dogmatic about that, and your decision to refer to atheism as "dogmatic" simply reveals your own biases. Atheism is not dogmatism.

If some evidence for the existence of a god or such a chimpanzee appears, I'll reconsider.

The whole "to attain this knowledge would require simultaneous access to all parts of the world&beyond" line is just silly. Lots of believers (and apparently some agnostics?) like to say it, but you must know better than that - it's an utterly ridiculous thing to say.
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"CAN YOU PROVE atheism????? no, my point exactly! then youre no better than anyone else,right?"

Wrong. Your point is dogmatic and narrow-minded. I don't need to prove that there is no god to be in a better position than the believer. If the believer cannot provide any evidence that there is a god, then the correct stance is that there is no god.

Google "Burden of proof". Read carefully.
Never post this kind of foolish nonsense again.

Answer 4

You are way over analyzing a very simple thing. Atheists do not believe in any kind of god or gods. What anyone else believes, including Agnostics, is not relevant to Atheism. There is no 'dogma' and a disbelief in something is simply not a belief, no matter how much YOU want to believe that it is.

It is not for us to disprove something that there is no proof exists in the first place. It for the believers to provide proof, which will then be studied and examined to see if if actually holds up. This is very basic stuff, why are you making it all so complicated?

Answer 5

The time period atheist stems for historic greek philosophy, many a individual that has no set tenents or legislation to their ideals. Basically, which means that they're individualistic within the perspectives in their fact, so even a individual that might have a god however now not train an genuine faith might were referred to as an ATHEIST. Over the centuries, the defintion has been revised. In Christiandom, atheist is a individual that does NOT consider in god (the christian god). Christians do not like individualistic ideals that is glaring in the course of the historical past of christianity. Heretic customary intended 'unfastened philosopher'. Most christians love to view atheists into one sterotype even though. To a Christian, an atheist is a individual that defies god (no less than the Christian variation) and is into evolution. Hheheeee that is infrequently the case. Its now not like atheism is a collection faith nor do all atheists keep to the equal definitions to their fact.

Answer 6

We don't deny the existence of god (that implies that there is something to be denied). We simply don't see any reason to believe that there is one. Before you start your rant about how the bible is proof and whatnot, please do yourself a favor and learn from the Jews what they believe about god. The bible and beliefs that christians hold are far removed from what the original believers of this god know god to be. There never was a need for salvation, and the messiah was not supposed to pay the price for our sins. If you want to lecture anyone about believing in god, learn your religion first. After you do, tell me if you still theing the god of christians is the god of the Israelites. Don't be lazy and ask a christian, ask a Rabbi or go to a Jewish website. Here's one you can check out for yourself.

http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html#education

Okay, I apologize for assuming you were a christian. Now to your specific gripe. I may not be able to prove beyone a shadow of doubt that no gods exist at all, somewhere, in some part of the universe or otherwise, but I can prove for sure that there is no god visible anywhere near our planet, and no god takes any type of active role in the lives of anyone on this earth. Just as you know there is no such real person as the Silver Surfer, I know that there is no such thing as god. Can you prove that the Silver Surfer doesn't exist somewhere in some part of the universe? There's plenty of proof for his existence and his exploits have been well documented throughout the latter part of the 20th century. He's even slated to appear in the new Fantastic Four movie. Can you prove that he doesn't exist somewhere in the universe? Can you prove that the stories about him were not divinely inspired or telepathically transmitted to humans by forces that we don't understand? What was that? Did you just say that the Silver Surfer is a comic book character that was created by men with overactive imaginations? But how else are there comets flashing through the sky, if not by his destroying planets sending cosmic debris throughout the universe? What? There's natural explanations for that? Interesting that you think so!

Can you see the irony of calling us out for not believing in something that can't be proved to exist? As for whether I'm agnostic or atheist, I don't believe there are ANY gods out there, just as you don't believe there are any cosmic comic book characters destroying planets and ending worlds. You know, those can be considered gods too, but somehow I doubt you'll believe in them.

Prove to me that any god(s) exists, and I'll consider it. Until then, you have NOTHING to complain about.

Answer 7

If you want to get technical about it, you're right, we can't ever truly know 100% whether or not gods exist.

However~

This can be applied to ANYTHING conceivable that we have no proof of.

Are you agnostic about unicorns?
Are you agnostic about the Flying Spagetti Monster?
Are you agnostic about the giant Martian space toad?

This isn't a matter of never truly knowing, it's a matter of being able to tell reality from fantasy based on the lack of evidence.

Nobody, certainly recently anyway, has ever observed a unicorn, the Flying Spagetti Monster, the giant Martian space toad and nobody has ever observed evidence of gods.

The only place any of these things appear is in fantasy of mythology (same thing really) and so the conclusion is drawn that they are imaginary.

There is no "well, we can never truly know." about it.

Answer 8

To know that there IS a god requires perfect knowledge. The atheist's starting point is non-belief. We'll believe something when evidence is presented for its existence. Up until now, I'm afraid God doesn't make the cut. we don't need perfect knowledge because we aren't in the business of proving there is no god. We're just waiting for a little bit of knowledge that will shift us from our starting point of non-belief.

Answer 9

Yes, the non-existence of the theistic form of a deity can be proven. I am an atheist.

It does not require all knowledge.

It requires one fact that forms a logical paradox if the assumption of the existence of a deity is made.

Such a fact is available.

Thus, the existence of any theistic deity is disproven.

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Who said anything about assumption?

As I said -- the non-existence of any of the theistic deities conceived or conceivable is provable by the use of the logical structure known as Modus Tollens. It follows this form:

A -> B.
~B.
... ~A.

This can be converted to Modus Ponens via a contrapositive:

A -> B.
~B -> ~A. (contrapositive step)
~B.
... ~A.


In this case, we replace A with "God (or any other theistic diety) exists" and B with "Free will exists".

Since free will can be proven not to exist, then we have ~B.

By Modus Tollens, ~B proves ~A.

Therefore, all claims of the existence of a theistic deity are proven false.

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There is enough evidence to prove theism is false, including your God/Goddess/Whatever...

Can I state that any clearer for you?

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Yes, I know theism is false, 100%, and provably so.

Tell me of your background in neuroscience and philosophy before I spend my time bothering giving it to someone as hostile yourself.

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I believe nothing. I do not use faith or belief as a mode of thought.

Either I have evidence or proof of a thing, or I do not pretend knowledge of a thing.

Answer 10

Technically- an atheist should probably have a certain amount of thoughtful uncertainty. i.e. it is highly unlikely that god exists, but there is a small probability. Otherwise, it becomes a 'belief'.

But- given the overwhelming evidence, I'm pretty dang certain that there is no god. But, I'm willing to change my mind if biblical miracles start to occur that nullify the laws of the universe.