Question for the creationist here?

Question

What proof do you have for intelligent design? The bible isn't proof, thats a book written over 2000 years ago and God won't come to earth to verify its legitimacy. The banana was full of seeds and difficult to eat until humans used artificial selection to make it into what it is today. Seriously, look up a wild banana.

So what proof is there for ID? So far the only so called "proof" that I have seen is you trying to disprove evolution. Which has failed for the last 150 years. If something came around which proved that evolution was false, it would be thrown out and the person who made that discovery would become one of the most famous in the world. That is how science works.

Saying evolution is a theory means nothing, a theory is the strongest ideology in science, gravity is a theory, atoms are a theory.

So, what proof is there for ID?

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Answer 1

We have this thing called faith. Oh and scientists keep trying to find things to PROVE evolution, but they end up proving something the Bible promises about Creation instead. Seriously, look it up.

Answer 2

Simply in the infallibility of the Bible, which contradicts any other explanation while simultaneously providing it's own explanation that conforms the nature of the universe.

Take, for example, the Flood. You know that huge one those Christians will bring up every now and again? Well, it's brought up every now and again because it's A. Described in the Bible B. Confirmed both as possible (geologically) and probable (EVERY ancient culture has a flood story, many having never seen the Bible) C. If true, destroys any evidence of the earth being old enough to have evolved life at all (though many would disagree it would be possible within any length of time)

Let's be totally honest here. There is a lot of evidence for creationism, as there is evidence for evolution. But really, if the world wasn't created by the God of the Bible or created itself by means of evolution, then there really is no explanation at all. There are no other theories that a sane man could believe in this day and age.

Basically, this is where the sides stand, as I see it.

Creationist: There is a lot of evidence that creationism is possible. If evolution can be proved impossible, then creationism is the only solution.

Evolutionist: The Bible has a lot of flaws in it and shouldn't be taken too seriously, especially not scientifically. Evolution has been proven as well as gravity has. They get in the way of science, and showing them their mistakes would help us all move forward.

Answer 3

Evidently you don't understand how science really works, there are some scientists who would rather cut off their own right arm; than in anyway, shape, or form say that the Theory of evolution is false.

As for answering your question, My proof is that I have my own finger prints and science has proven that noone, in the entire world; from beginning to the end of time will ever have that. IT is mine and will always be mine. No matter how many people are born, no matter how many different or similar DNA sequences we humans go through each century; that fact will never change.

So, I am happy in the knowledge that my ancestors were and will always be created unique human beings. You can keep your ape (or whatever) ancestors, if you so desire.

Answer 4

Proof for I.D.:
(*cough, cough) Well, my dear sir, the proof for I.D. is...


God did it.

Thank you very much.

Now stop holding back the controversy! It's only a theory!

(To the person who talked about the chicken and egg line: Some dinosaurs laid eggs and they were the evolutionary predecessors of modern birds. So technically, the egg came first. Did you have something to argue?)

Answer 5

Of course, there isn't any, and furthermore the theory, even if it were true, is useless: it can't predict anything. But evolution is now a proven fact; proof details available on request.

Answer 6

actually creationists are more than intelligent designers... they believe not only in a world of fantastic design as we see it, but that the design was broken and marred by sin... a fallen world in need of redemption

in any case even Darwin claimed He believed in intelligent design and claimed to be a theistic evolutionist

I would cite 1) irreducable complexity such as Denton and Behe et all and 2) In the begnining was information by Werner Gitt as a few of the reasons

Answer 7

The universe did not create itself? We all agree that it was not always here. I don't think you will find any scientist who will claim that man will someday be able to create an entire universe from nothingness. I don't think that "intelligent" it the correct word here, because this is just something that man is not able to comprehend.

Answer 8

Look around you. Could it be possible at all that one atom burst and coincidentily all that you see around you works together? The atmosphere works just right for us to have life. Our bodies are way too complex for me to believe that it just happened...

The fact is that we rely on faith. That cannot be proven, only shown.

Answer 9

Not to mention "a theory" and "A Scientific Theory" are very different ;)

A theory=Bob is a wife beater because i see his wife with bruises

Science Theory=gravity

Answer 10

DNA Double Helix: A Recent Discovery of Enormous Complexity
The DNA Double Helix is one of the greatest scientific discoveries of all time. First described by James Watson and Francis Crick in 1953, DNA is the famous molecule of genetics that establishes each organism's physical characteristics. It wasn't until mid-2001, that the Human Genome Project and Celera Genomics jointly presented the true nature and complexity of the digital code inherent in DNA. We now understand that each human DNA molecule is comprised of chemical bases arranged in approximately 3 billion precise sequences. Even the DNA molecule for the single-celled bacterium, E. coli, contains enough information to fill all the books in any of the world's largest libraries.

DNA Double Helix: The "Basics"
DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) is a double-stranded molecule that is twisted into a helix like a spiral staircase. Each strand is comprised of a sugar-phosphate backbone and numerous base chemicals attached in pairs. The four bases that make up the stairs in the spiraling staircase are adenine (A), thymine (T), cytosine (C) and guanine (G). These stairs act as the "letters" in the genetic alphabet, combining into complex sequences to form the words, sentences and paragraphs that act as instructions to guide the formation and functioning of the host cell. Maybe even more appropriately, the A, T, C and G in the genetic code of the DNA molecule can be compared to the "0" and "1" in the binary code of computer software. Like software to a computer, the DNA code is a genetic language that communicates information to the organic cell.

The DNA code, like a floppy disk of binary code, is quite simple in its basic paired structure. However, it's the sequencing and functioning of that code that's enormously complex. Through recent technologies like x-ray crystallography, we now know that the cell is not a "blob of protoplasm", but rather a microscopic marvel that is more complex than the space shuttle. The cell is very complicated, using vast numbers of phenomenally precise DNA instructions to control its every function.

Although DNA code is remarkably complex, it's the information translation system connected to that code that really baffles science. Like any language, letters and words mean nothing outside the language convention used to give those letters and words meaning. This is modern information theory at its core. A simple binary example of information theory is the "Midnight Ride of Paul Revere." In that famous story, Mr. Revere asks a friend to put one light in the window of the North Church if the British came by land, and two lights if they came by sea. Without a shared language convention between Paul Revere and his friend, that simple communication effort would mean nothing. Well, take that simple example and multiply by a factor containing many zeros.

We now know that the DNA molecule is an intricate message system. To claim that DNA arose by random material forces is to say that information can arise by random material forces. Many scientists argue that the chemical building blocks of the DNA molecule can be explained by natural evolutionary processes. However, they must realize that the material base of a message is completely independent of the information transmitted. Thus, the chemical building blocks have nothing to do with the origin of the complex message. As a simple illustration, the information content of the clause "nature was designed" has nothing to do with the writing material used, whether ink, paint, chalk or crayon. In fact, the clause can be written in binary code, Morse code or smoke signals, but the message remains the same, independent of the medium. There is obviously no relationship between the information and the material base used to transmit it. Some current theories argue that self-organizing properties within the base chemicals themselves created the information in the first DNA molecule. Others argue that external self-organizing forces created the first DNA molecule. However, all of these theories must hold to the illogical conclusion that the material used to transmit the information also produced the information itself. Contrary to the current theories of evolutionary scientists, the information contained within the genetic code must be entirely independent of the chemical makeup of the DNA molecule.

DNA Double Helix: Its Existence Alone Defeats any Theory of Evolution
The scientific reality of the DNA double helix can single-handedly defeat any theory that assumes life arose from non-life through materialistic forces. Evolution theory has convinced many people that the design in our world is merely "apparent" -- just the result of random, natural processes. However, with the discovery, mapping and sequencing of the DNA molecule, we now understand that organic life is based on vastly complex information code, and such information cannot be created or interpreted without a Master Designer at the cosmic keyboard.

Answer 11

Why would God create such endless pain and suffering to create a man, when he had within his power to create one instantly? How would that causeless suffering be a demonstration of God' love for his creation? Hence the absurdity of your belief outweighs any so-called evidence you might present towards it.