A practical man's PROOF that... CREATION IS CORRECT...?!?

Question

Assuming we exist,there is reality,the matter of which we are made is real.proof #1: 2 possble answers:we had a begininning or not.The Bible"In The beginning God created the heaven&earth"Most atheists agree no beginning. that matter always existed.but a distinct pattern in space causes greater distance between galaxies ea. day,now run time backwards,ultimately,galaxies reached a pt. called singularity(beginning).proof #2:sun generates energy by thermonuclear fusion.1 sec=564mil.tons of hydrogen.the sun has only used 2% of it's hygrogen.25 quintillion stars do the same.cosmos would runout unless we had a beginning.proof #3: 2nd law of thermodynamics/aging proccess known as heat death.if cosmos are"evrythng that was/is/will be."nothing would need to be added.But b/c aging,loss of light&heat,the universe would eventually die w/o a beginning?..atheist's assertion that matter/energy is eternal/no beginning=wrong.Biblical assertion that there was a beginning=correct. believe now?

It funny how many will not even agree w/ sciencs. I didn't pick and choose what i wanted to prove from science it's just proof that there was a beginning!!!

Agree or not it's scientifically proven!!!!!

never said WHO created, but thanks for assuming I meant GOD...obviously you believe in Him enough for Him to come first to mind!

"coolstevo" I'm in school where do you think i came up with this???? hmmm..not too bright yourself huh?

I never tried to prove that any other beginning was wrong... just proving that the Bible beginning does have science to back it up! sorry if i offended any one's beliefs....

REFERENCES:
Glanz, James, “Accelerating the Cosmos,” Astronomy, October, 1999.
Hoyle, Frederick, The Intelligent Universe, Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1983.
Humanist Manifest I and II, Prometheus Books, 700 East Amherst St., Buffalo, NY 14215, 1985.

Answer 1

While I do belive in the Bible, I must say that this is somewhat confusing. Then again, I was never good at science. I'm more of a fiction-writer than scientist.

Furthermore, I doubt that this will make anyone believe anything.

As for the answer above mine, I'll explain why it can't be a random event: Because randomness doesn't exist.

Go back to the very beginning. In fact, go back way before the beginning, when all we have is Zero-Point Energy, which is called such for a reason. It's what there is when everything else is removed. "Square One" if you will.

Now, seeing as how matter and energy are interchangeable, this could make sense. But what would cause the ZPE to change if nothing else existed? The answer: Nothing. Unless something else did exist.

Now, there are two possibilities, and one of them seems silly. But bear with me.

The first possibility is obvious: God. Little explanation is needed here, since God is omnipotent.

The second possibility is the silly one: Time travel. Something gets thrown back in time and causes the ZPE to change.

Well, how the heck else would it happen, if not God?

The alternate dimension bit would have to rely on this possibility as well, so don't try it.

Now, if something gets thrown back in time in order to create the beginning of the universe, then that means the timeline between that point and the future point where the time-travel occurs is set in stone, figuratively speaking. Furthermore, all of time after that point in the future is fixed, thus preventing anything else from happening. And, as a result, there really is no such thing as free will.

It's a lot more complicated than the first theory, which actually allows for free will (If I knew 100 percent, no chance of being wrong, gonna be right no matter what, that you were going to pick your nose three seconds after reading this, does that mean you didn't have a choice?).despite what anyone will say. Even if free will and omniscience would be paradoxical, there's still the omnipotence to consider.

Answer 2

Sorry no dice. The Biblical account of creation is false. Sorry. Don't pick and choose science to try to prove something is true.
Also "Most atheists agree no beginning" is completely untrue. They know that everything has a beginning. They just don't believe that they know the answer. They are looking for one. That can be proven. You think you already know, and you don't.
"sun generates energy by thermonuclear fusion.1 sec=564mil.tons of hydrogen.the sun has only used 2% of it's hygrogen.25 quintillion stars do the same.cosmos would runout unless we had a beginning.proof " Again, this does not prove "creationism".

Answer 3

Try again when you've picked up some more data. Where'd you get the idea that the official line says no beginning? What about the Big Bang, FFS? Are you still operating on Hoyle's Steady State hypothesis?

The cosmos will indeed run down at something like 1E100 years, leaving nothing but evaporating black holes being accelerated apart by dark energy repulsion.

CD

Answer 4

Nope.

See, you claim most atheists don't believe there was a beginning.

The very nature of the Big Bang is that our current visible universe in fact has one.

However, the quantum physics shows that the cosmos need not have one -- ONLY the visible portion of it.

So you've basically made so many errors of logic that listing them all would take too much time. Lots of strawmen though, that's the overwhelming mistake here.

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You'll notice that I've said yes, there is a beginning. I know of no one who denies it, including atheists (of which I am one). All of the information you provide points pretty conclusively to a beginning, albeit in a horribly presented manner.

However, that there is a beginning does not prove there was a deity or god at the helm of that beginning.

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The Bible says the universe had a beginning. The facts discovered in the study of quantum physics say the visible universe likely had a beginning (though because of the current status of the problem of time, it may not have).

So they agree only that the visible universe had a beginning.

That's all they agree on. Every other aspect of 'Biblical Creation' is wrong.

Answer 5

The creationist is playing stupid. Science works. Science is knowledge. Science brought us cars and computers and cell phones. The fact that these things work shows that we got the science behind it right. Scientific methods and interpretations have to change when we learn something new. Science also brought us antibiotics (and more antibiotic resistant bacteria) and genetic engineering. The fact that these work means that we got the science behind it right. And the very same science that is needed for genetic engineering also explains that evolution happens. The great advantage that science has over religious dogma is that we can change it when we find facts that contradict the explanations we had until then. This is not a flaw it is a fundamental feature of science.

Answer 6

Most Atheists are not scientists. Most Atheists do not believe there was no beginning to the Universe. You are wrong, stupidly so, on so much here it is just a waste of time.

You have done not a shred of research or else the first 2 points I made I would not have had too. But you have impressed the people with invisible creatures as friends.

Congrats.

Answer 7

Your thinking is naive. You never even consider the likely possibility time is not fundamental but derived. The fundamental nature of reality can be timeless and therefore (eternal ). Yet time as a derived entity may have a beginning.

Einstein hinted that nature is eternal space-time not space changing with time.

As an analogy think of a DVD movie. The movie has the appearence of space and time. It appears to have a beginning. Yet the movie is just information on the DVD.

Answer 8

EDIT: Ive seen these arguments before which is how I know you didnt think them up on your own. You probably got them off some lame creationist website.

Dont you think that if these arguments had any true merit, brilliant biologists and physicists like Stephen Hawking and Ken Miller would still believe in evolution or the big bang? These arguments are given by and aimed at people who lack understanding of true science.

Go to school.

Answer 9

These are good points. Don't get discouraged by the people who don't sound like they are receiving it. It is not your job to make them believe. It is your job to preach the Gospel, and you are doing good.

1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

The man responsible for my salvation has no idea of what his words gained, because I did not respond to him, but I remembered his words, and I did respond about two years later.

Answer 10

Look.
This does not prove creation. This does not prove a god exist or that the bible is truth.

So I do not believe you now. Keep trying though you could be the one and only to prove creation or the existence of a god.