Christians ONLY!!!!!! Do you believe in eternal security or that you can lose your salvation.?

Question

I am still unsure about this. I believe in eternal security due to these verses-----

Romans8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
(KJV)

Romans8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
(KJV)

2 Timothy2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
(KJV)

However, there are those that believe you can lose your salvation. I don't understand what verses they are using. So if you could post those for me and why you either believe that we have eternal security or we don't (with scriptural reference only please) I would greatly appreciate it.

Non Christians, you will just be ignored, so no use. Thanks.

Answer 1

One can loose in religion, in the works of the law, in falling short of the GRACE that comes ONLY by way of Jesus Christ,--- a GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS apart FROM the commands of the law, ANY LAW that commands the FLESH TO PERFORM in order to be WORTHY and have some BOASTING before God. Faith is indeed SHIPWRECKED.... Christ is indeed VEILED< any time the LAW is preached. TO be MATURE is to understand and KNOW the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD, not any righteousness of the flesh life.

Answer 2

I think a lot of people look at verses like this:

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

This could be interpreted as strongly as to say once you've started once and failed in the flesh, a person is lost. Thus, this would mean salvation has contingencies. But where would GRACE fit in to that tough interpretation?

I think, (for what that's worth LOL) that it brings forth more questions than it answers.

I heard a lady from India speak a couple of months ago about serving God. She summed it up very simply using the little boy in the feeding of the 5000 as an example. You just get up in the morning and say, "Ok, Lord, here's my lunch, what do you want me to do with it?" How beautifully simple.

I've found that the more we focus on going about doing the business of the Kingdom of God, the contentious details among denominations fade. The more we focus on doing as Jesus taught us to do, the closer we all become.

Answer 3

It depends on who's eyes you look through.

If you look through the eyes of man, you will find that you have free will to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, yet also be tempted back in to the world and turn away from Jesus as Lord. Jesus outlines this with the parable of the sower in Matthew 13.

If you look through the eyes of God. He, knowing the end from the beginning, predestines us to His good purposes. It is a done deal. As Jesus makes very clear in John 10. If you are His sheep, He will never lose any one that is His.

1 Samuel 16:7
"..the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

Answer 4

Can a Believer "Lose" His Salvation? Or Stated More Accurately, Can He Forfeit It? "Has God indeed said...Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away."? (Luke 8:13) the scripture clearly teaches BOTH the sovereignty of God AND the free will of men. To deny this is irrational, and must be caused by something other than reason based on scriptural precepts. The scriptural position is that a person who is saved can forfeit that salvation. The bible teaches those at highest risk of forfeiting their salvation are those who are newly saved, and those who continue on in known disobedience, after being born again. The elect are those whom God chose, whom God foresaw would both trust in His Son AND who would endure or persevere in the faith given them until the end of their physical life, or the return of Jesus. Those whose hearts are seeking the Lord with all that is in them, should have no concern about "losing" their salvation. Nor should they have any concern about forfeiting their salvation. Salvation cannot be lost, but it can be forfeited - this is the nature of covenants in the bible. The bible no where guarantee's someone that salvation once received cannot be turned away from or forfeited by the individual that possesses it. Receiving salvation involves man's will, and not works. Forfeiting salvation involves man's will, and not works. In the same way the Lord did not force His salvation on anyone, He neither forces anyone to remain in the covenant. Hebrews 6:4-6, [4] "For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good scripture and the powers of the age to come, [6] and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. This is one of the classic proof texts for forfeiting one's salvation. Most Calvinistic theologians have made this passage fit into their theology by claiming that the passage does not refer to believers. There are, however, some significant problems with attempting to do this. First, the text clearly says, "it is impossible to renew them again to repentance", the "them" referring to those who "have fallen away". If the Calvinistic theologians interpretation is correct, then the text says that it is impossible for those who never actually became believers (repented, believed and thereby received the Holy Spirit), to repent and become believers. This seems to be inconsistent with God's mercy (2 Pet. 3:9; Matt. 11:28). It also seems to contradict the entire 18th chapter of Ezekiel, particularly verses 21-23. In addition, Jesus is clearly the object of the "elementary teachings" (verses 5:11 & 6:1), so saying that this passage refers to unbelieving Jews really stretches the concept of consistent interpretation.

Answer 5

I believe we can lose our salvation.
I would suggest to you that the Bible does not teach eternal salvation, although it sure would be nice if it did. The Bible warns Christians that they can "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:1-5), be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22), have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19), by committing certain sins and not repenting of them (cf. Eph. 5: 3-5; 1Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:19, Rev. 21:6-8). In a chilling reminder of the possibility of losing salvation by separating oneself from Christ, Paul says, "I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should become disqualified." (1 Cor. 9:27).

Here are a couple of additional passages that pretty much spell out the fact that one can lose one's salvation:

Matt: 6:15
Matt: 19:21-35
Matt: 10:22-32
Luke 12:41-46
1 Cor. 15:1-2
Colossians 1:22-23
Hebrews 3:6, 14
Rev. 2:10, 25-36, 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22

Answer 6

2 Peter chapter 2 talks about apostate teachers that have gone down the wrong path
Jesus' parable of the seed sown onto four different types of reception shows the possibility that some will receive it with joy but will have it taken from them by the devil
this is in either Matthew or John
sin cannot separate you from God now
but if you are not on the path of repentance and haven't taken up your cross as Christ commanded than you need to ask yourself some questions
according to Christ's parable there are two types of believers, those who come to fruition and those that get choked up by the cares of life
they are both believers and go to heaven
the difference is in whether God the Father says, Welcome thy good servant or welcome thy wicked, foolish servant
the first two examples Christ talks about in that parable are not believers
You should get a study Bible if you don't have one. A Scofield is pretty good. There are some other good ones though. They will answer a lot of questions for you.

Answer 7

The one thing you are missing in your understanding of Rom 8:39 is

"other creature" or "other creation" depending on your translation.

'YOU' are excluded from this list.

If I lose my love (1 Cor 13:1-4)

If I stop obeying God (2Thess 1:8)

If I become disapproved (1 Cor 9:27)

If I reject Jesus after accepting him (Heb 6:4-8)

If because of my deeds, Jesus removes my name from the book of Life (Rev 3:1-5)

I hope this helps.

.

Answer 8

This is a very interesting question. Having read some of the answers, I am now worried that I could lose my salvation, so I hope you are right about eternal security.

Answer 9

Yes you can. Once saved not always saved. It is like going to church once per week and confessing Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, and then during the week you go to pubs and get drunk, sleeping with someone outside of marriage, lying, hatred in your heart which God is working wiht me on and will bring it to completion, you have a nasty temper all the time to people and then you die, you go to hell. Jesus made it very clear in Revelations that no murder(even hate in your heart) whormunger(prostitute or someone that sleeps around, that is not your husband or wife) fornicator(sleeping with someone before you are married) all liers, slanders(talking behind somebodys back) Idolitory, Adultory, all unbelievers will have their part on the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. Jesus said in Revelations that those how heed his message he will not remove them fromt the book of the living.The word says "Be Holy for I AM Holy". The word also says "Without Holiness nobody will see the Lord" Jesus made it very clear when Jesus said "Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter the Kingdom of God, but only those whodo the will of my Father who is in Heaven" Jesus spoke about the wide gate and the narrow gate, and said only a few be there that find it regarding the narrow gate that leads to life. Jesus said the wide gate is easy and many will travel it. .Yes brother you can lose your salvation. But you do not have to worry about that if you repent each day from your sins and turn from them. I know it is difficult at times as I have been there. God is working on me overtime to get me ready for the rapture. I do not to swear as much now, I have improved my temper(I am on anti-depressants and they are helping) I am away from people that stress me out like my family and putting Jesus first. Stay in his word, talk to him more, repent, and ask God for strengh to get though each day. It is a day by day process. Get ready brother because Jesus will be soon returning for his church. God bless you and remember it is much better to go though the trials of life and come out a victor not a victom and through Jesus, then it is to spend eternity seperated from him. See you in Heaven soon. Leanne

Answer 10

I happen to disagree with you as I think Christians can drift away from grace. I think "once saved, always saved" is scripturally incorrect.

Hebrews 2:1 - "So we must listen very carefully to the truth we have heard, or we may drift away from it."
Hebrews 3:12-13 - "Be careful then, dear brothers and sisters. Make sure that your own hearts are not evil and unbelieving, turning you away from the living God. You must warn each other every day as long as it is called "today," so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God.