In the light of recent terrorist attacks, should all face concealing dress, like burkhas be banned?

Question

As these Western Oriental Terrorists (herein after called WOTS) seem to be against our culture, whether it be religion or otherwise, can escape notice, and try to push, THEIR culture onto the freespeaking world, should we not fight back and use EXACTLY the same laws as they use against our women in THEIR countries. The main and obvious being to be able to identify persons. Failure to do so would mean an automatic "opportunity" to visit an open public gallery court appearance and if they are of immigrant status, also the "opportunity" to have an aeroplane flight back to their own country.
We already have a situation whereby people with bad heads do not need to comply with the crash helmet law, (they do if they visit the rest of Europe). Lets explain to these persons, our laws are thus, they are there for a reason, if you do not like them, sod off...
Many many persons of all religions, christians atheists, muslims, are sick of being singled out when extremists get what they want.

To those who think this is aimed at muslims, IT IS CATEGORICALLY NOT. I have friends who are muslim and they say EXACTLY the same. The original reason for the headdress is not in the European culture and therefore unneccessary and in fact not in the koran or obligatory, (sorry'bout the spelling)

The motorbike helmet can be of the open face variety or be seen thru the visor, in any case most bikers take a full face of as with little ventilation when you get of it steams up.

For info the persons arrested some had WOTS clothing on and the woman HAD a burger on (Deliberately written so)

Bad head, oh dear oh dear, if you are feeling sick (sikh) (in the head) then you bandage it!!
Do you know that that is over 50 years old!!

It was stated that you cannot fight fire with fire, however, you are not, you are just agreeing with these WOTS that you need to legislate it, remember, it is THEM who asked for a ruling, just because its not what they want they will probably throw a tantrum. There should be NO ruling about what is done in your own confines, but on the street, and other similar areas, (banks, garages, schools et al) your identification means, (your face) should be open. No exemptions to EU law whatever you say. Most Muslims and other immigrant religions come to Europe to avoid persecution and therefore blend in, they don't want aggro. It is not beyond the wit of most of us that should you do something that agravates your "visibility", you encourage either ridicule or aggression. I live in France and wear a kilt most of the time, should I want total anonymity then I would put up with the discomforts and wear trousers.

The thing is that it is not racesist, as one person said, that it should apply to hoodies, and others that want to "hide". Surely I would not have black friends, Muslim friends etc. Lets get it straight, it is the non acceptance of our ways, NOT the enforcing thereof. As another said really, apart from the cold you could virtually go around naked.
It is old peagan type rites for a woman to be wearing a burger, not muslim.

Answer 1

Yes, now is the time to tell the PC brigade and all the rest of the do-gooders to creep back into their silly little holes and STOP the wearing of ANY face concealing clothing whether it be burkhas or hoods - or even caps with an over-large peak, and to those that don't like it, the answer is simple - stay at home ! ! !

Answer 2

Since in this case the attack at Glasgow airport was carried out by fully facially visible men, I don't think this point is relevant to the current case.
Certainly I agree that anything fully concealing the face is detrimental to public security, but the problem with banning it is obvious. Radical Islamic types would be able to portray it as an attack on all Muslims to the more gullible members of the Islamic world, and it wouldn't stop terrorist attacks.
This is, sadly, a very fine line that we are currently treading, and anything that would inflame further terrorist action is not something to be done lightly.

I also have Muslim friends, and to a man they're horrified at what these nutters are doing supposedly in their name.
Unfortunately, it's exactly the same as it was in the Seventies and Eighties with the IRA. Suddenly every Irish person was a suspect in spite of the IRA being a rather small organisation.

Answer 3

Think not only of the immediate effects of such a ban. Obviously its an imposition on the religious and free will rights of persons, but does it not also have an effect upon costume parties? While that does sound comical, and is intended to be so, it's a point that hasn't been brought up. There are a lot of unseen consequences of such laws or procedures. In Florida, an individual attempted to wear a burkha for their Driver's ID. It was taken to the courts and the courts found because it was for Identification purposes the face must be clearly visible. In my opinion that is very much understandable, but the regulation of one's clothing choices by the state in public sounds very similar to ideas expressed in extremist religious states.

"should we not fight back and use EXACTLY the same laws as they use against our women in THEIR countries"

You can't fight fire with fire. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. If you stoop to such a level you're only as bad as what your attempting to fight against.

Answer 4

Yes the only people in this Country who hide their faces are either going to a fancy dress party or are up to no good.

I find the excuse of modesty very hard to accept and suspect that the main reason is for a man to control a woman. I noted that one lady in a television interview admitted that she only wore the face covering when she felt like it. We are told that we must learn to trust these people and include them in society, but how can we do it when their own conduct leads to mistrust and as a consequence exclusion.

Answer 5

I have to agree with this,
i have just got back from a muslim country (tunisia) the first thing i noticed was that you`d see more women wearing the full burka in east london than i did in tunisia.So surely if they dont need to wear it in a muslim country then why wear it here.

Its wrong to expect to change a country to suit your religion.....if the uk or any country does not measure up to your expectations then dont bother to go and live their or if you are born in the country then move.Religion is a choice!!!!
and that is all religions

Answer 6

I am sure some Muslim will correct me but when I lived in the Gulf my Arab (Muslim) friends said that what the Prophet basically said was a woman should dress modestly and cover her head. It seems to me all the burkha dress etc is actually a form of oppression for women.
I seem to remember that recently a wanted terrorist fled the country wearing his sisters all enveloping dress and thereby escaped detection.

Answer 7

The old saying ' When in Rome, do as the Romans' sums up my views on this subject. These people think they can do as they want in the name of religion and I think this is very rude because if we go to a muslim country we are expected to respect the traditions already in place. It almost appears that our opinions don't matter which sickens me to the core but we are supposed to keep quiet and say nothing.

If this situation remains I can see a time when the rest of us will decide we will have had enough and this will lead to violent unrest.

Some people might say that my views are racist but all of you who do, just remember, I am a race too and I am entitled to my opinion as are you.

Answer 8

as much as hate to say this, we voted this bunch of crap to represent us ,make our laws, protect us, look out for those who need care etc,, but what have we got, I cannot think of a word that would describe them, or the state they have put England in, as for making or enforcing the type of laws you suggest not a snowball in hells chance,millions abstain from voting at each general election but moan the same as us after each budget we must somehow force the MP'S to listen to the people,then when laws are made they should apply to all If these people because of there believes wont comply the exit door is always open.
live by the sword die by the sword

Answer 9

In the UK for sercurity defernately YES a total ban is needed . They can wear it at home or go back to where they came from. This is the west we have a dress code although anything goes but to diguise themselves to look like a women and meanwhile it can be a male terrorist .....this is unacceptable.

Answer 10

I dont know where people get the idea that English people abroad adhere to local customs.I live in a Muslim country as do thousands of other immigrants we dont dress in local traditional dress or observe their customs though we try to respect them whilst living to our own standards.Perhaps another good idea according to you would be to stop catholics wearing crucifixes as that smells of the IRA.Laws are different to custom and religion and if you live in another country you have to obey them.