OK , I'm Done Teasing Liberals ! . . . Would Somebody Please Post The Exact Reason Jefferson Addressed The

Question

Issue of Religion and Government .
All I'm asking is that you look it up for yourself . No twist no spin .

And then post a rational explanation for it , because when you find it , it will be quite clear what Jefferson was talking about. . . HINT : It had absolutely NOTHING to do with separation of church and state .

But I know the Liberals won't believe me and that's why I want them to look it up for themselves .

CK - WHAT ? Nobody is talking about merging government and religion . Man , you guys now try to re-write history as it's happening . GEEEEEESH !!!

Lindsey G - So you call it 'teasing' when I ask you to look up historical truth and fact ? Puh-lease !!

Don - So you're saying that your search feature is BROKEN like all the other Liberals computers ?

Answer 1

Don't stop, don't stop. We are having so much fun!
Proud Conservative - great link.

This nation was created to have a FREEDOM OF RELIGION and liberals misinterpret it to mean freedom FROM religion. That was never the intent.

Answer 2

They do that with every historic figure. It's simple manipulation, clutching at straws, it's not like he's here to defend himself or what he believed. What was "liberal" 100, 200 or more, years ago would indeed be conservative today. If you'll notice, suddenly a variety of historical figures are either bisexual, transgendered or homosexual, just now. No real reason as to why, someone just suspected something, at some point, so naturally that means... well, you know. And, considering what a private person Jefferson was, we'd likely remain in the dark even if he were alive. He wanted to prohibit whiskey, I thought that was funny. He said wine was okay, but whiskey should be banned. His letters are published in the public domain at Google Books today. All of the Founding Fathers have their material up.

Answer 3

The letter was really about the establishment of a state religion. The Danbury Connecticut Baptists as a group were a minority in Connecticut, they were concerned with the protection of religious liberty and not having the government select a state religion so the wrote the new President of the US (Thomas Jefferson) to address this issue. To Jefferson his wall of separation between Church and State meant that the state could not establish a state religion not the issue as the Supreme Court and liberals have viewed it.

Answer 4

They, the founding fathers, actually founded this country based on the freedom of religion, that we could practice whatever religion we wished to, but the government was restricted in violating that freedom by supporting a particular minister or establishing a single religion. This is the basis of the foundation of our government. Nowhere is it written that there was to be a separation of church(religion) and the country.

The issue at foot today is secularism, an offshoot of the Frankfurt School of cultural marxism. The theory was to break down a countries culture by destroying those things in its culture that held it together. In AMerica it is our faith in God that they want to destroy, so we will have instead a faith in the government.

This effort to destroy religion, faith, the family unit, is simply EVIL.

Answer 5

The crys of sepration of church and state is very new to this country.
They crys have gotten louder because people of faith are being more vocal.
So they have created this myth of sepration of church and state.
The state is not to establish a religion but it doesn't mean free expression there of. That is the part the liberals over look.

They seem to have no problem with Jackson or Sharpton when it comes to having those minsters speaking on political issues.
They also don't have a problem with politicians speaking at certian churchs.

However, if a conservative Christian leader speaks up or if a conservative speaks at a Conservative Christians church .....let the wailing begin.

As long as we have Free Speech in this country people of faith have the same freedom to speak out.

That is what liberals don't like when they begin to hear speech they disagree with so they fall back to on "sepration of church and state"

Those of Freedom FROM Religion who have gone so far as wanting crosses be taken down that have been up since the founding our nation are over reaching.

Answer 6

Jefferson spoke to the issue of the government having no state sanctioned religion. He did this with the historical context of his knowledge of how religion had shaped political events in Europe, in particular the Catholic church and England. Throughout the history of Europe and western civilization from the crusades to the spanish inquisition to the founding of the church of England, Jefferson was acutely aware of the influence the church had on affairs of state. The very founding of the colony of Mass. in 1620 was by the pilgrims in attempt to escape state sponsered religious persecusion. The idea of keeping the newly founded government of the US, having a clean slate and a chance to start a new ideology without the dogma of the old Europe, free of a theocratic overtone was a no brainer. Although it is hard to get inside Jefferson's head, it is clear that the idea of a democratic republic, free from the machinations and influence of a heavy handed church, as Catholocism was in Europe, was clearly his vision for the new Republic. Free to find itself with out the obligation to answer to God (the church) in the establishment of it's laws and treaties.

Answer 7

A perceived need to prevent a government dominated by a single religion.

"We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to Virginia Baptists, 1808.

"Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814.

Answer 8

I understand and believe you... yet I am a Liberal.
Liberals? ...What I find most amusing, is when someone (like you) throws a label on another person, ignoring both the meaning of the word and the fact that the person being labeled doesn't agree.
When people can make up whatever meaning they want for the words and labels they throw around, those words become meaningless. Which devolves the entire conversation to mindless shouting.

Answer 9

I think of this issue as a 'merry-go-round.' Up-down-and ever going in a circle . . .

Jefferson wrote to a Baptist church about the 'wall,' in support of their and his belief that the government had no business interfering in religious practice.

Jefferson, as I recall, liked Jesus the moral teacher but not as a 'god-head.' He often quoted Jesus, and believed a secular state would not benefit our nation as such would lead to moral crisis and eventually our downfall of a nation.

Me thinks he was an insightful man.

When the government curtails our religious speech, and regulates when and how we practice, it is interfering.

I would not care to have my children sit through any preaching at school, but neither do I find the 'preaching' of secular beliefs in our schools any less nefarious.

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Answer 10

First of all, I haven't read anyone's responses, but I will answer from memory what I read 2 Years ago..........

A group of Baptist Ministers were worried that Congress would create a "State Church" like The Church Of Scotland, of The Church of England. They wanted to know that their Religious Liberties would be respected. Jefferson's alleged "Wall of Separation" was his response to these Baptist Ministers, promising that ALL CHRISTIAN CHURCHES would be treated Equally, and there would be no "State Church".

How's That ?

Answer 11

Jefferson believed
.."in a supreme being who was the creator and sustainer of the universe "..
..that "questioning everything "was good
as "Reason and free inquiry are the only effectual agents against error."
Jefferson's basis for Religious freedom was simple!
..The government is charged with protecting society from injury,or opression by others in society Laws are used to maintain order/prevent .chaos
....Religion (or lack of) is a individual belief that cannot be regulated ( forced acceptance of xx belief)

see http://www.monticello.org/reports/interests/religion.html
"The rights of conscience we never submitted, we could not submit. We are answerable for them to our God. The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg . . .

Same concept applies to other topics...i.e. Legislation can prevent harm to others but no Law can force an individual to "like/embrace" something or someone's beliefs/actions.
We dont like getting traffic tickets but it is a legitimate law as reckless driving can cause unnecessary death...
I dont have to like xxx choice of food, pet, sexual orientation, failure to bathe, or use copious amts of cologne...etc but a law does prevent me from injuring the person simply because i cant stand the pet /cologne/turkey tofu/...etc.