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Thank you so much for your help !!

2007-07-01 05:43:35 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government Politics

CK - Well then , perhaps you'd like to see my next question already posted and ready for you to 'answer' .

2007-07-01 05:51:18 · update #1

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IN THE name of God, Amen.

We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France and Ireland king, defender of the faith, etc., having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape-Cod the 11 of November, in the year of the reign of our sovereign lord, King James, of England, France, and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domine 1620.

I have a book that has the texts of all sorts of historical documents in it, so I have read this more than once. Since I did not wish to type it all out by hand, I did a cut and paste with the help of the source listed below. I had to include the whole thing, since there are, technically, only three sentences to the whole thing (including the opening sentence), each comprising an entire paragraph (people were very skilled at the run-on sentence back then!).

Since religion seems to be the order of the day, I include two other items which you may find of interest.

This is from the Virginia Declaration of Rights, a document which influenced Jefferson strongly when he was drafting the actual Bill of Rights. This is the very last section of the document, and the entire document was ratified by the Virginia Constitutional Convention in the summer if 1776.

Section 16.
That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practise Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.

One of the interesting things about this particular passage, to my mind, at least, is that it dictates the freedom to exercise any religion. When it mentions charity and patience, it states specifically Christian charity, which would seem, at first look, to mean that people should be Christian. What the author (a man named Mason) was actually saying is, "The Christian ideals of charity and tolerance taught by Jesus Christ are already familiar to most people--in matters of religion, we should use those high standards of tolerance when dealing with people whose beliefs we do not share."

This second part will be very familiar to all, as it is the First Amendment to the Constitution. The first 10 Amendments are called the Bill of Rights, and it is recognized in the US that these rights should be guaranteed to everyone equally in the US.

AMENDMENT 1.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Here's the part which bedevils Constitutional scholars and professors of Constitutional Law at law schools around the country all the time: what exactly is meant by the first part--the part which deals with religion? Does it mean Congress cannot force a religion on people? Does it mean that Congress cannot mess with the practice of an established faith? What constitutes free exercise of a religion? Is it the ability to go or not go to the house of worship of your choice? Is it the ability to practice your religion wherever you are, even if where you choose to observe your religion happens to be in a 10th grade classroom? If you choose to practice your religion in a public place, what happens to those around you who don't choose to practice with you? Should Congress allow one church to dictated to others that they must pray in a public place, such as a school or a municipal meeting? How does that all work?

And by the way, I am sure you are already aware, but I my political leanings are quite left of center.

Have a great day.

2007-07-01 11:24:42 · answer #1 · answered by Bronwen 7 · 1 0

Not hardly. From the Constitution it's self : Amendment I Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The very term "hate speech" being defined as a crime is ridiculous. Can anyone show me in the First Amendment any term or sentence that quantifies any speech as illegal ? And save the fire in a theater argument. That, "or abridging the freedom of speech," part renders that point rather mute. You may be held accountable for the consequences of what you say, but not that you said it.

2016-04-01 02:08:00 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

IN THE name of God, Amen.

We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, France and Ireland king, defender of the faith, etc., having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia,

(The first few lines...)

I don't know that i would consider myself liberal, in political affiliations at least. But These are the lines written by, and signed by 41 of the original 50 Leiden separatists.

2007-07-03 12:23:41 · answer #3 · answered by MotherNature 5 · 0 0

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia

2007-07-01 05:53:52 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents, solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."

2007-07-01 05:50:13 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 5 2

looky, it's the whole thing: We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620.
But here's another one I like better:
from the U.S. Treaty with Tripoli (Musselmen are Muslims.) As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Makes you think.

2007-07-01 05:57:17 · answer #6 · answered by hailtothethief_orwellwasright 3 · 0 3

"In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwriten, the loyall subjects of our dread soveraigne Lord King James by the grace of God, of Great Britaine, Franc, & Ireland king, defender of the faith, e&
Haveing undertaken, for the glorie of god, and advancemente of the Christian faith and honour of our king & countrie, a voyage to plant the first colonie in the Northerne parts of Virginia, doe by these presents solemnly & mutualy in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant & combine our selves togeather into a civill body politick"

The PRE-UNITED STATES pilgrims needed to use spell-check.

Point is moot. You are comparing apples to oranges.

2007-07-01 05:47:42 · answer #7 · answered by ck4829 7 · 3 4

All you get is a star! Thought you were going fishing???
OOPS!

2007-07-01 06:09:33 · answer #8 · answered by Me 7 · 3 0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact

Here's a link, but since you said "especially liberals" I have a feeling you are trolling to make a particular point.

Can anyone (especially "conservative") please post ther first few sentences of the Treaty of Tripoli ?

2007-07-01 05:48:31 · answer #9 · answered by queenthesbian 5 · 2 4

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=At.85yQOXRTKl7Mi5idcH6zY7BR.?qid=20070701085420AAbTNH1

2007-07-01 05:56:41 · answer #10 · answered by NONAME 2 · 1 1

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