Some say science and religion are two opposites. They also say that people who believe in God are dumb, Yet..

Question

Albert Einstein said,
"Everyone who is seriously
involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced
that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe--
a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in
the face of which we with our modest powers must feel
humble."

Isaac Newton said, "This most beautiful system [The Universe] could only proceed from the dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

Rene' Descarte said,"I exist. I have in my mind the notion of a perfect being. An imperfect being, like myself, cannot think up the notion of a perfect being. Therefore the notion of a perfect being must have originated from the perfect being himself. A perfect being would not be perfect if it did not exist. Therefore a perfect being must exist"

Gottfried Leibniz said, "our universe is, in a restricted sense, the best possible one God could have made."

So I guess you un-believers imply these men are dumb too. So how can anyone truly believe your words?

Answer 1

Scientists were always believers in the greater universe, God or a higher power because as your quoted several of these men who defined The Universe as having been created by a higher power despite the theories of the Big Bang notwithstanding. Whether we be scientists, social worker, business person or educator, there has always been an inner need for man to think that there is a another world or to define it as part of a greater universe.
It also is true that there will always be skeptics and non-believers who challenge the belief in the higher power either because of some tragedy or a false sense of "there is no such thing as a higher power" and they want to only rely on "facts," mathematics, and pure science. Then one day they come to the realization that maybe there is something to this "higher power" or they find a reason to say "Thank God" when faced with a physical or moral crisis. We can be skeptics and challenge some of the traditional ideas (man made) and yet maintain a belief in the higher power and that there is another plane or a place that extends beyond this planet.

Answer 2

Why are people so dead set that this world is not perfect? Science also depends on that what we observe is infact true. And if what we observe isn't true, well, we then have no way of knowing any truth :/ And science doesn't contradict with religion -.-

Edit: FINALY! after one hour of looking:

"Take the relationship of love. I may be in love and my girlfriend may be a flawlessly beautiful and wonderful person, but if I can control her completely and become immersed in her perfection, I might as well fall in love with a mannequin. However, if she has a little mole on her cheek, or some kind of unpredictability of character, then the accidental has been introduced into the domain of the orderly, and I can enjoy her humanity more easily."
(Alan Watts)

Answer 3

First of all, the fact that these people were theists is no more to the point than they were white or that they were male. This doesn't prove anything about spiritual superiority than one could argue about racial or gender superiority.

Science and religion ARE two completely different inventions of mankind. Science uses the scientific method to explain the physical world that are objectively observable, and religion (among other fields like philosophy) is used to give answers regarding personal life meaning, individual spiritual experiences, etc.

There isn't a problem having both in one's life, as long as they are recognized for what they are.

And this is coming from an atheist who, as a mathematician too, admires Leibniz's work. Of course, his co-creation of calculus makes him no more qualified to answer questions about the physical world. And Descartes' argument here is just plain fallacious, since you could use it to prove the existence of "the perfect unicorn" (Kant pointed this out some time later).

Answer 4

Hehe, the word is "non-believers"

and it's your word against the rest.

I am a "me-theist"

I believe that everything I own or have achieved was something that somebody in my life around me [or myself] has done or given to me.

I don't really [waste] my time pondering what gave me life or what the reason for my being is when it doesn't affect my future; I'm already here, aren't i?

lol, of course I wonder though, but there is no truth that will stand in front of me and prove to me, and until that happens, I refuse to argue with a person about why the way I think is superior to theirs.

I believe that religion is something made to bring people together, to give us faith, to help better our lives, but only that much.

Because religions contradict themselves to other religions and while they do, fairness and equality becomes an issue.

What happens to those that don't believe in God?

Is it fair for a person who is wholeheartedly good to be sent to hell for believing in something they were taught and raised to believe from birth? That is something that should be respected and if God were to punish them for that, then what heart does he have?

In the same sense, he cannot dismiss the crimes and sins committed by the one that is not christian, so is he an exception among christians that are completely holy?

Some people I know believe that God has wrote a whole path out for each of us.

I don't believe that God has programmed us to have done every little tidbit we do. What nonsense does it make to program us to break a nail, use the restroom/not use the restroom, do things things that are unholy . . . and then punish us for it?

And isn't it just sad to think that he takes people away from us, because even though people say, "there was a reason that god took him from us"

I don't believe that. when somebody dies in an accident, i do believe that it is an accident/mistake or caused by somebody's careless behavior.

Some people are just as innocent as we are, and things like that happen to them. Then what are they? "Glitches" ?

Deaths may bring us good in the end, because there's always an effect/conclusion to something bad, even if it's undecided, but it brings everybody grief. That's no laughing matter.

People always hope or are so certain there HAS TO BE, that there IS somebody that is perfect because we know to ourselves that we are not.

As intelligent and well-respected those men may be, it doesn't make us people with less credibility or less recognition inferior to those men in different senses. We mentally draw that image that we are, but in may ways, we can be better, and that can only be perceived.

"Einstein was the smartest man that ever lived" ... that could be an opinion; it is.

Even though people have broken records for doing things, I don't doubt that there are people who could beat those records... only that they haven't publically come out to prove it or been proven to do so.

I used to be a catholic. I tried to find my faith again, too. I stopped going to church half a year ago when I found that I just stopped believing more and more the more I went.

These are just a few of my thoughts on this subject.

I do respect those who believe.

Everybody deserves respect

but people who don't respect others shouldn't expect respect back, you know what I mean?

Answer 5

Einstein was in fact an atheist.

I don't really care for newton too much, when he found out that his theory on gravity was wrong, he claimed that "god nudged object in space from time to time" instead of fixing his mistake.

as for Leibniz saying that our universe is the best possible one god could have made is a horribly false statement, if this universe is the best god could do. He's no where near a perfect being.

Answer 6

Darwin himself admitted that the intricate engineering displayed in the human eye was so specialized and complex that he could not begin to imagine how the eye might have developed through the evolutionary processes of natural selection.

Another evolutionary scientist, Dr. Ernst Mayer, admitted: "It is a considerable strain on one's credulity to assume that finely balanced systems such as certain sense organs (the eye of vertebrates or the feathers of birds) could be improved by random mutations."

Answer 7

He also said this:

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." Einstein

Answer 8

Science and religion are two sides of the same coin. Science deals with the details, religion with the story. When you reflect upon religion, it's actually like a primitive form of science as the ancients understood the world.

Answer 9

God was the first and ultimate scientist. The scientists today are only discovering what he created and how it works. He invented all the "laws" that the scientists have discovered, like the law of physics, motion, and so on. He CREATED science, and except for the made up notion of amino acids being electrocuted into the extroardinary number of species we see today, science supports the bible and a six-day creation. It drives me crazy when people who call themselves Christians say that God created the universe via evolution. So they don't believe that he's capable of doing it the way he said he did? He could make everything in its perfection, but not the WAY he said he did it? Doesn't make any sense.

Answer 10

Who is they? I don't believe that people who believe in god are dumb. Don't care much what they think. As long as they do not interfere with what I think.