Don't you think the exsistence of any God or deity just is illogical...?

Question

On the subject of God existing or not...

One of the leading arguments for atheists is that there is no proof of the existence of God... and Christians counter back with there isn't proof that he doesn't exist... This logic can also be used for bigfoot, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy. I just find it somewhat amusing... that they (bigfoot, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy) are immediatly doubted.... You should apply the same logic to everything.... and this logic just doesn't add up...

Really the only thing to connect an exsistence of a God is the Bible, Qu'ran, and other such books.... but they are not reliable...

So how is it a God can exist?

*sigh* I never mentioned evolution in my question... how on earth do you know if I believe it or not... maybe I'm a follower of the storck theory...

Answer 1

Well it seems illogical to ME, but I have to realize that my atheism is going to seem illogical to other people just the same. Just as my tastes in music are going to seem illogical to people who don't listen to the same stuff. This is simply because we all go through life having our different experiences, forming different conclusions, and having those in turn affect our observations and new conclusions.

And of course, if I'm minding my own business as an atheist who listens to Yma Sumac records, and somebody has a problem with that, the burden of proof is on them to prove God exists and "Voice of Xtabay" is an objectively bad album.

I will say though that SOME theists try using "logic" to back up their claims when the arguments are fallacious. For example "I have to believe in God because the only other explanation is that everything in the world around me came about by random chance." Anybody who actually takes the time to research science, and can learn to comphrehend changes that happen on a time scale much longer than a human lifetime, knows that "random chance" and "a big inivisible man did it" are not the only options. Of course a few atheists fall for it too ("This bad thing happened to me, therefore God doesn't exist" - which rests on the assumption that deities have to be benevolent.)

Answer 2

OK! Now answer this, where does logic come from? You? How is it that you are more logical than anyone else? Logic can define anything, but the act of applying it implicates you have a choice to bend it to your own reason, or that you might make the wrong choice. Pure logic is the ability to accept the possibility that you are wrong in your choice. No proof is required either way because you have made up your mind in advance to follow one choice over the other. The bottom line is you have heard about God and Jesus. Either you believe or you don't. One fact remains: something or some cosmic power put us here (Cosmic Consciousness) and the result was freedom of choice to either be creative or destructive or not. Be thankful you are not a bacterial life-form living in a house that uses Lysol which will be 99.9% effective in killing you off. With any luck at all, you would be the .1% that survives, but such is life! You can't possibly deny the existance of God until you have no doubts about why you exhist in the first place.

Answer 3

Two answer out of the middle age....

The first one by Saint Anselm of Canterbury
He start whit a passage from the psalm (131) "the fool has said in his heart there is no God". This of course indicates that the fool know what God is.
Now to believers God is "a being such that we cannot think of a greater being" and it is understood that the fool also see's God as this.
Anselm brings a second point to the response. Let’s say for example that if someone would be thinking of a chair and then would go and touch a physical chair, we can easily say that the physical chair is greater than the imaginary chair since it exist.
So the argument from St. Anselm: God is "that which nothing greater cannot be thought"
Which means that, as the physical chair was greater than the imaginary one so God must exist since he is greater than an imaginary god.

Now of course this is a round argument, Anselm did state that this is not a description of God and that is those not show anything of God, but that it's only a logical proof of his existence and that it would not "show more than the hem of his robe"


A second proof of the existence of God comes from St Thomas Aquinas it is place in five arguments:

1 the "proof of change"; he states that everything that change is change by something else. It’s like a train the last wagon is pulled by the first. So God would be the origin of any change
2 the "proof form explanation" just like a kid that would ask "why, why... ad nauseam" we could ask why something is the way it is and where did it originate and again God would be the ultimate originator
3 the "necessity" we can ask ourselves why does something exist, why did it come to be or why did something else’s did not come to be. If something exists then it must have been conceived by something else, again Gog would be the ultimate originator
4 the "goodness in the world", since something is better than other it would seem fit that there would be something that is purely good; aka God
5 the "argument from design" if an object or a thing is perfectly fitted for a task it must have been design by something Intelligent. Now plants and animal do not posses that kind of intelligence as to permit themselves to adapt to any situation that may arise, so they would have been created by an intelligent "hand". That is the hand of God

Hope that this did not confused you too much

Answer 4

What makes it any more illogical than life from non life. Have you seen it happen.? The only experiment done to attempt it came up with amino acids but these aren't the right kind and even if they had been It took an intelligence to set up the situation so the amino acids could be created. Now to believe in something you can't prove such as how are existence came about is a leap of faith in either direction. I am not down playing science but you can not give an absolute proof to how life started so the atheist is as much a n act of faith as believing in a creator. Unlike the agnostic at least says he is not sure. To be an atheist is to say that you are definite as to your disbelief. How can you be absolutely sure without all information? Which it is impossible for you to have?

Answer 5

We all need something to belief in whether it's the existence of God, or for some others the belief there isn't one. The one thing I can tell you is that if we don't have hopes and beliefs what is the use of life. Maybe I'm silly but I believe in Santa Clause too, not the man, but the hopes and dreams he brings. So, you keep your thoughts on God and your dreams and I'll keep mine. I will also let you believe in what you want and you can also let me do the same. In the long run we can see where each other will end up, I know I will be happy.

Answer 6

I agree with the person who mentioned the first law of science being along the lines of something doesn't come from nothing. Logically speaking, if there is a creation, there is a creator or a force prompting creation. It doesn't mean that a single male "God" figure created everything. People view this creator as a God, Goddess, deity, etc. In the end it doesn't matter who or what did it. You should be honest with yourself with why you posted that question. Obviously you have beef with religion. Just because religion can be unreliable, dogmatic, and flat out extremist doesn't make the existence of god or the force of creation illogical. Like you said, just because you don't believe in god, doesn't mean you believe in evolution. One being the case doesn't always make the other necessarily false.

Answer 7

I think Athesist and Christians have taken a somewhat restrictive view of this problem.
Christians contend that God is a Perfect Being. Actually a man but I won`t get into that.
Athesist contend that their is no good reason to think that God a perfect being actually exist, for where is the evidence?
They are both restrictive in that they define God or NO God as a Perfect being or No Perfect being.
My question is why does God have to be a being in the first place?
I`m an agnostic. I do not believe in religous dogma. However, I do not take a protest against it(Athesist)
First, I think we all need to look at the question of is God real or is there no God differently. God if there is one is not a MAN. People can say what they like but Christians, Islam, and Jews beleive God is a type of individual a person if you like. An all knowing, all powerful, all good being.
Hummm? Knowing, power, and good or evil seem to be Human characteristics.
AS for Athesist do they believe in anything? Or do they just believe in evidence? Isn`t evidence based on human perception?
In other words whatever is incapable or unknown to the five senses, touch, hearing, taste, smell, and sound is unreasonable? I see no reason to believe in that.
We must think differently and define God in another light. First, he is not a person. Second if we can prove by evidence he exist then either the evidence is all around us or is incapable of testing by the human senses.
I think rejecting religous dogma is the first step to enlightment (at least is was for me.)
However, I didn`t stop there, for How can I say I believe in anything when I simply reject religons(Athesist)
Please take it a step further as I have and am still searching.

Answer 8

How is it that God, being all powerful, couldn't have created the universe this way, where the only connection to him was books? He's all powerful and certainlly can do anything he wants, including leaving no evidence of himself.

God exists, I know for a fact. Although I'd like for you to believe me, if you don't thats your decision not mine.

Answer 9

Unfortunately, the only solid proof you are going to get of God's existence is from God himself. And you have to 1) be open to the possibility and 2) ask with a sincere heart and 3) be willing to take action to change your life when you find out about His existence. If any of the 3 requirements are lacking...He won't burden you with the knowledge of proof of His existence because you will then be responsible for that knowledge...and accountable for what you do with it. If you have any of the requirements lacking...you are better off not knowing.

Answer 10

Dear the proof is all around you. Go outside and look around at the trees, the grass, the sky, the clouds, the animals and insects, your fellow human beings and ask yourself how this all came to be. Ask yourself if you believe that the entire universe just magically erupted out of nothing. Doesn't it seem logical to you that something more powerful, and higher then you made the Earth and the entire universe. I can't change your views only ALLAH(SWT) if HE wants can do that but you should think about it at least.