If you define God as existing outside of space and time, doesn't that define him out of existence?

Answer 1

God is pure spirit, not material subject to any exterior force. He is eternal, not bound by decay and death, no coming to be then ceasing to be. He is forever and all things are immediate to His infinite mind. Time and space and material exist because of His will, and it could cease by His will and eternity would still stand. Time is one thing, eternity is another. Finite things exist (you, space and time), because of one infinite being that exists; God.

Answer 2

God only exists in whatever space and time you ascribe to a concept. (And both sides of the argument in your question make unreasonable assumptions.)

M theory mathematically projects the existence of space and time to 11 dimensions. Since we can only perceive 4 of these dimensions, there is a potential for a any number of things to exist outside of our current cognizance of space and time. The possibility of a multiverse composed of many universes each with potentially different natural laws also opens the door to an assumed definition of "existence" being inadequate. Case-in-point: prior to 1675, we had no idea that microorganisms such as germs existed. Of course, no one can do anything but theorize about what exists beyond our current cognitive capabilities.

The second flaw is to ascribe God a default residence outside of our cognitive view of space and time simply because it's a convenient work-around for the fact that He can't be seen, heard, touched, or smelled in our natural realm. This assumes that God exist in the first place and then just looks for a place to put him.

Answer 3

Yes. Anything that exists outside of the space time continuum is for all intents and purposes non-existent.

Suppose that god represents the infinite in time and space and all other properties that he has. Next to the fact that we don't exist for him also the entire universe doesn't exist for him if it is finite. If god created the universe it is finite by definition because it has a definite beginning, also since (according to the bible) there is something like judgment day the universe has an end. But since any finite number reduces to zero in comparison with infinite the universe itself doesn't exist for god.

So if god is to be the creator then the universe itself must be infinite. This however is a contradiction because something infinite has no beginning nor end so can not be created.
This means that an infinite god has *no connection* with us finite beings and is certainly not the creator of the universe, in short has nothing to do with the universe at all!

In comes Occam's Razor and slashes the infinite god away.

Answer 4

Man I wish I had just 10% of your intelligence. Maybe not, I might be dangerous.

I think He exists outside of space and time. His space is everywhere because He is energy. He exists in all dimensions simultaneously. Time is a human measurement. He is not subject to the rules of time as we are.

For the logical thinker there are thousands of reasons not to believe in a supreme deity. It makes no sense.

I don't think there is a God because my brain can grasp the idea rationally. I think there is a God because my heart, my soul, remembers Him.

Answer 5

God doesn't exist out of space and time he exists inside peoples minds as an idea. So if you don't believe he's there he doesn't exist.

Answer 6

No.

If we define ourselves as three-dimensional entities (with the ability to move in any direction in three dimensions, but not the fourth dimension: time), then a four-dimensional entity (whom we will call "God" for the sake of argument) would have the ability to move in any direction in four dimensions (including time).

Another way to look at this is to note that when we look at a block of wood we instantly perceive width, depth and breadth: the three dimensions of the object.

But a four-dimensional being (aka God) would look at the block and see the three dimensions as well as all the transitions the particles that make up the block have made over time. In other words, he would see the past and future of those particles just as we can see the breadth, width, and depth of the object.

Existence certainly includes the passage of time.

I suggest a visit to "Flatland" is in order, to see an analogous situation to the one I am trying to describe here.

Answer 7

What a great question squirrel.

God is outside space, time and existence because he doesn't exist. Simple as that.

Answer 8

Grreat question:

I think God exists within Time and Space because I believe god exists within each individual. Thus if the individual recognizes space/time the individual is able to recognize god. But since space is mostly empty and time is relative to the observer, we are left with this 'paradox of understanding'.

If most of space is intangible vacuum, and time exists only as an observable tangent, what makes up existence?

Existance is percieved reality. I see a bench, it exists. Since God is NOT a tangible reality, but more of deep sub-conscience intangibility, so long as we[human] create god in our percieved reality, god can exist. BUT if you take away the time/space/human observer aspect, god cannot exist. Because who creates the creator? humans do, and if they don't create god, god ceases to exist.

Now add to that the apparent fallacy of perceptive reality and we have us a conundrum. Does reality exists without my conscience observation? and if not how can god exist if reality doesn't exist.

In conclusion, God cannot exist outside of our perceived reality, because we create God with in our Space/Time reality. So long as Humans will god to exist, god will exist.
When humans stop willing god to exist...god will be no more.

There is no way to peace. Peace is the way.

Answer 9

I think that argument is a clever excuse for the lack of empirical evidence for a god. If something exists outside of time and space and does not intervene in the natural world (a.k.a. undetectable), then god is either powerless or irrelevant. Which do you choose?

Answer 10

No. It defines god as a creation of the human mind borne out of the lack of knowledge, and as we know more and more about our universe, god isn't even in the equation.