What is it Jews are doing now to where their Mesaiah will be punished for it?

Question

Isaiah 53:3-9:

3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricen

If this is not speaking of a messaih who it speaking of? If this is not one please tell me verses that do speak of your messaih. Who was this person who was bruised for you?

10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

well where can i find prophecies about the Jewish messiah if this is not an accepted jewish prophecy? I am not at all attacking you all, I just want to know where you all come from. What are you looking for in a messiah, and how can you be sure you havne't missed him?

gratvol. You most understnad what that means to Christians:

"it pleased the Lord to bruise Him....he(the Lord) shall see his seed shall prolong His days." Jesus rose from the dead. And going on to the next verses that makes alot of sense.

Answer 1

If you can mention anywhere in that entire verse where it mentions the word messiah or "son of David" or anything that would imply such I will convert to Christianity on the spot.

In short its not talking about the Messiah.

If you read the previous chapter the subject is Israel as an entity. Their is no reason to think that the author has changed the subject.

"he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days"

So where are Jesus' kids? The Hebrew word Zerah (seed) always refers to physical descendants. If the verse is about Jesus then it proves he had offspring. You cannot have it both ways.

Answer 2

I would guess that you are Christian.
Nothing wrong with that, but you should try to understand that Christians view the Tanach through a different lens than do Jews.

When you (or your priest, minister, etc...) interpret Isaiah (in the section of Nevi'im - Prophets), you must consider that most Christians consider Isaiah 53 is about someone who dies for the sins of others.

However, Jesus' own disciples didn't view Isaiah 53 as a messianic prophecy.

When studying Scripture, it is only understood properly when viewed in the context of God's revelation as a whole.

I would suggest you take off your "Christian" lens and put on some "Jewish" reading glasses and learn (as Jesus did, by the way), what and how the Jews view Isaiah.

Go to the link and read, study, learn!
After all, God gives us the ability to elevate our thought process.
Isn't it time you elevated yours to consider a world beyond that which you exist in?

Shabbat Shalom!

Answer 3

It is talking about Jesus.

The Jews have been blinded because of their rejection of Jesus and now salvation is open to us gentiles.
The old testament is full of prophecy that Jesus was fulfilling and they ignored it. Out of all people the pharisees and priests and everyone else who studied all the time should have known but instead rejected him. They didn't want to lose their financial foothold if you will of the society at that time.
Theres a quote I have heard a few times that says, "The old testament is the new testament concealed and the new testament is the old testament revealed"

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Romans 2:10
but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

One good thing is that some Jews eyes are being open hence why we have messianic Jews.


Also for the only asking for whatever in the above verses, you can't argue anyone into being saved. There are no facts you can use to convince anyone to become a christian. It is only by the way of the Holy Spirit working in them that they would ever be able to accept it.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

Answer 4

According to Judaic tradition, this passage has nothing to do with Messiah, Messianic prophecies, or Yeshua.

Isaiah 53:3-9 refers to a group of persecuted people.

Yeshua was never banished from his land, "cut off from the land of the living".

"From imprisonment and from judgment he was taken, and his generation who shall tell? For he was cut off from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people, a plague came upon THEM."

Conclusion is that there is only one possible interpretation, which is that the righteous remnant of Israel is "the servant" in Isaiah's Fourth Servant Song ("Isaiah 53").

Verse 10 "And the L-rd wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul would acknowledge guilt, he shall have descendants [or, he shall see progeny], he shall prolong his days, and G-d's purpose shall prosper in his hand."

Verse 11 "From the toil of his soul he shall see [and he shall] be satisfied; with his knowledge My servant will vindicate the righteous before the multitudes, and their iniquities he shall carry."

Verse 12 "Therefore, I will allot him a portion among the multitudes, and with the mighty he shall share booty, because he has bared his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and he will [continue to] intercede for the transgressors."

Answer 5

My belief is that this verse pertained to the Jews ging astray over 2,000 years ago. Even though you may be taught that there are Messianic verses and prophetic verses, the verses make MUCH more sense when being placed back to thetimes in which they were written. The reason the church needs the messianic verses now is to further support their own beliefes in the messiah being Jesus.

Answer 6

Does anyone know the meaning of the word Israel? It means both Israel, the land; and Israel, the people.

Perhaps the subject of this verse is Israel, the people. The entire Tanakh is about the people, Israel, and their relationship with God. You would do well to keep that in mind as you study.
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Answer 7

. I am **so** tired of people mistranslating and misinterpreting this chapter. Go to the link below and see what the real interpretation and translation of this section of Isaiah is all about (hint: gratvol's right).