it mentions the trinity in the Bible! It clearly says the Father...the son...and the holy ghost. Anyways I'm a Baptist...and we believe that Jesus is God! God is the father, God came down to earth as Jesus , therefore Jesus is Gods son, and Jesus is in anyone who is saved...therefore he is the holy ghost or holy spirit whichever you prefer. thats why when we are baptized the preacher says I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the holy ghost!
2007-06-29 05:37:06 · 27 answers · asked by courtney4u2006 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Easy answer.(and i am not a JW)
it's not biblical.
Yes it mentions the father , son and holy ghost , but other than one in purpose then there is no foundation for belief in the trinity.
Use your brain.
When Jesus prayed who did he pray too ? The bible doesn't say he spoke to himself.
When Jesus was dead then who brought him back to life.?
If he was god then surely god was dead.
Jesus said he who sent me is greater than I. Not i sent myself.
My wife , my son and i are one family but we are not a trinity we are all separate.
By the way if you read your bible you should find that god sent his only begotten son to earth , not he came himself(god).
read john 3:16&17....& John 8:42
2007-06-29 06:00:07 · answer #1 · answered by pestie58 the spider hunter 6 · 8⤊ 1⤋
The one and only scripture that even mentions the three as one, historians say was added to the bible. 1 John 5: 7 & 8
"We need not hesitate to declare our conviction that the disputed words were not written by St. John: that they were originally brought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on ver. 8: that from the Latin they crept into two or three late Greek copices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim." A Plain Introduction to the Criticsim of the New Testament by F.H.A. Scrivener (Cambridge, 1883, third ed.), p. 654
Jesus said the Father was greater then he. He said they were one as his disciples were one, in union with each other and in harmony of thought and purpose. Just as a husband and wife are one, not the same person. Only the Father knows the day and the hour, if they are the same, why would not the Son know the day or the hour? There's no mention of the Holy Spirit. You need to review what the whole bible says about God and about Jesus, and about the Holy Spirit.
Look into where the Trinity doctrine came from and when it began being taught as Church doctrine. It was not taught by Jesus or his disciples.
Trying to understand the Trinity Doctrine is like trying to understand movies about Time Travel...it's not possible.
2007-06-29 10:20:05 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 0⤋
in accordance to the Trinity doctrine, the daddy, the Son and the Holy Ghost are coequal in power, authority and eternity. however the serious query is that this: Did Jesus Christ and his apostles have faith and coach the Trinity? If we have faith that they did, we are confronted with countless very difficult questions. At Mark 13:32, Jesus Christ pronounced: “yet of that day or that hour [of God’s coming execution of judgment] no person understands, no longer even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, yet only the daddy.” (See the field, “Why Are They lacking?” on web site 7.) yet whilst the daddy and the Son are coequal, how could desire to the Son be unaware of issues the daddy understands? ‘Jesus had 2 natures,’ some will answer. ‘right here he's talking as a guy.’ And, yet, whether that have been so, what with regards to the “Holy Ghost”? if it rather is the 0.33 individual of the Trinity, why does it no longer understand? a chain is only as sturdy as its weakest link. And the “Holy Ghost” is an element of the Trinitarian chain. further, on an in the previous celebration Jesus had pronounced: “no person understands who the Son is different than the daddy, or who the daddy is different than the Son.” (Luke 10:22) as quickly as back, what with regards to the “Holy Ghost”? whether it rather is a wakeful area of the “Godhead,” coequal with the daddy and the Son, why does it no longer understand? extra advantageous than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote: “‘For who has basic the thoughts of the Lord [the daddy] with the intention to coach him?’ yet we've the thoughts of Christ.” (one million Corinthians 2:sixteen) How is it possible to have “the thoughts of Christ” and yet no longer understand “the thoughts of the Lord”—if the daddy and the Son are coequal? Trinitarians are speedy to bounce on John 8:fifty 8, the place Jesus pronounced: "earlier Abraham replaced into, i'm." is that this trinity evidence? tell me, what number persons do you spot in the time of this verse? Do you spot the mandatory 3 to end the trinitarian godhead? I count style ONE right here. what number do you count style? Sunestauromai above accuses Jehovah's Witnesses of distorting Biblical actuality. i could like for him to describe the trinity to me from the Bible. Silenced Lamb (or despite call she is utilising this week) is misguided back as generic. Jehovah's Witnesses do no longer deny the deity of Christ. They deny the trinity. She shouldn't understand that there is a distinction between the two.
2016-10-19 04:17:00 · answer #3 · answered by serravalli 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
@GladImSaved: Not celebrating Jesus' birthday does not mean not believing he wasnt born...it just that we know that the day chosen for Jesus' bday, Dec 25 is originally a pagan tradition celebrated for the Sun-god---the bible never mentioned the date of Jesus' birthday. It was a way to convert pagans to the so-called Christianity by then pagan emperor Constantine.
Topic: Catholic encyclopedia states
Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.
In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom ("Ad. Autol.", II, 15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian ("De pud." c. xxi). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen ("In Ps. xvii", 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen's pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes:
There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P. G., X, 986).
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Was Jesus created or not?
Colossians 1:15 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation..."
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2007-06-29 15:26:36 · answer #4 · answered by Tomoyo K 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Not once does the Bible mention the word trinity- the scripture you have in mind does mention the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, but it most certainly does not say that they are all one person.
Additionally, the biggest "support" for the trinity is John 1:1, which, when reviewed by HONEST and NEUTRAL scholars, reads the "word was a god." Not to mention the fact that this is in direct opposition with the rest of the Bible's teaching that "Jehovah your God is ONE God", that God "alone is the Most High over all the Earth", that Jesus acknowledged more than once that "the Father is greater than I am."
How can you ignore the Bible and focus on one mistranslated passage to support a pagan theory that was not adopted until more than 250 years AFTER Jesus' death?
*GladImSaved: I guess you have ignored the fact that all Biblical scholars and most "Christians" agree that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th! Why do you celebrate a pagan festival that honors the pagan Roman sun god? Maybe you should research your own beliefs before condemning ours- you might learn something.*
2007-06-29 05:47:40 · answer #5 · answered by danni_d21 4 · 8⤊ 3⤋
For such an important belief for trinitarians, I've always wondered
Why does the Bible only hint at Jesus being God.
And contain so many scriptures that disprove it?
If I said Tom, ****, and Harry are at the ball game,
How many would insist that these three are the same and equal?
In the name of means the authority of.
Does the Father have authority? Yes.
Does the Son have authority? Yes
Does the Holy Spirit have authority? Yes
This does not mean they are the same and equal.
Paul said 'do not go beyond what is written'
1 Cor 4:6 Now, brothers, these things I have transferred so as to apply to myself and A·pol′los for YOUR good, that in our case YOU may learn the [rule]: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” in order that YOU may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other.
2007-06-29 08:26:13 · answer #6 · answered by TeeM 7 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Because the idea of the Trinity comes from Catholicism. The Trinity is not biblical. The reference to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are in the Bible, but not in the context that some people believe.
Point out one verse that states that God is 3 separate entities and the same being at once.
It wasn't until the Council of Nicea that people looked at God in the form of a Trinity.
2007-06-29 05:41:06 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 3⤋
I'm not a Jehovah Witness and I don't believe in the trinity.
I'm thinking its not such a sin as you would believe.
How come Baptist believe in Sunday worship. Its not in the bible. How come as a protestant, and at the beginning of the protestant reformation the battle cry was the scripture trumps man's tradition, why do you still bend the knee to that catholic church and follow their tradition of Sunday?
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine
Q. What is the Third Commandment?
A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day. (they don't even have the number right its the fourth)
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.
Q. By what authority did the church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.
Q. What does the Third Commandment command?
A. The Third Commandment commands, us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.
It's not even a logical progression.
Please note what day the scripture says is the Lords Day.
Mt 12:8 -For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."
Son of Man = Yahshua (Jesus)
Yahshua is Lord of the Sabbath. The Lords Day is the Sabbath.
Repent! The Kingdom of God is at hand!
2007-06-29 05:51:20 · answer #8 · answered by Tzadiq 6 · 4⤊ 3⤋
Yet the word "trinity" is nowhere found in the Bible.
How is it that people believe in a doctrine of which the defining word itself is 100% absent from the entire scripture?
I just get giddy about all those who have claimed JW's have changed the Bible. Apparently none of these persons have ever tested their favorite translations using the (pro trinitarian reference book) Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.
Any person who approaches the Bible with humility and reverence, will easily see that the trinity doctrine is not in harmony with ANY translation.
Also, any person who takes an unbiased look at the Watchtower publication "The Trinity" will see a clear and unbiased, plus thorough researching of the history of the trinity.
This assessment of the whole trinity discussion, is so complete, that, in my opinion, if you still subscribe to the trinity doctrine after reading it, you have clearly made your choice for tradition over what is written.
(Which of course likens the adherent of the trinity doctrine to the scribes and the pharisees rather than the person who relies solely upon what is written by the God inspired writers of the Holy Scriptures)
2007-06-29 05:47:50 · answer #9 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 9⤊ 3⤋
because in my eyes the trinity is 3 different beings, Jesus when he was down on earth was praying to god up above is Jesus was god on earth why would he pray??? and that the holy ghost is just a messenger for god.
Is Jehovah a Trinity—three persons in one God? No! Jehovah, the Father, is "the only true God." (John 17:3; Mark 12:29) Jesus is His firstborn Son, and he is subject to God. (1 Corinthians 11:3) The Father is greater than the Son. (John 14:28) The holy spirit is not a person; it is God's active force.—Genesis 1:2; Acts 2:18.
2007-06-29 05:42:51 · answer #10 · answered by ♥ღαмαиdα♥ღ 7 · 7⤊ 5⤋