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Question

being a point in time where it came into existence?

Elaborate on your answers if you wish.

Answer 1

Nope, unless you're God. But then again if you are God you came into existence only after humans.

Answer 2

Not inside the time continuum. For something to exist eternally (even on a universal scale) it can not be subject to the forces of time.
Look up the 2nd law of thermal dynamics. An understanding of it lets you know that all things without intelligent direction run toward disorder and that, while energy is never destroyed, all usable energy within a closed system (such as our universe) is eventually dissipated and becomes unusable.

By the way. Ask Simon T how it has been proven that things can just "pop" into existence.

Answer 3

Dear Mulla,

Thanks for the question. In general the answer is No, I believe that everything has a beginning in time, with 3 noted exceptions.

God predates time. Therefore, when God spun the universe time became a measurable entity.

The Bible further states that all the manifestations of the God in his fullness existed together since before time was constituted and measureable. Therefore, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost co-existed.

As a proof text God speaks in the plural when contemplating making what exists in Gen. Further, in the book of John, we are told that all things that were made were made by the actions of the Word of God which later was manifested as the Son of God who we now call Jesus.

So, with the exception of the one and only God (Father, Word/Son, Holy Spirit), everything can mark a begining in time. Time exists within the constraints of God, God does not exist within the constraints of time.


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Answer 4

Yes and no. The area that our universe occupies has probably always existed. I'm not sure but the original components that made up the source of the big bang probably did as well. Time, in some senses has probably also existed continuously.

Answer 5

The bottom line is something has always existed....whether you feel it is anti-matter...(and I understand the paradoxical dilemma of anti-matter "existing").....the most basic elemental gases....the most primitive single cell organism....or God....that is up to the individual....My belief is God..
I guess some would say that I am not smart enough to believe we came into existence...with a conscience, ability to reason and all the other traits that make us human....by accident. If so, I am thankful my intelligence, or lack there of, allows me to see things in a more esoteric way....the "the if it cannot be proved with a slide rule and a algorithm, it does not exist"world, is just too boring for me!

Answer 6

not if it was always here no. think out side the box isn't it possible for something to have always existed? If you believe in God do you think he was created? By the logic everything has to be created then he had to be created now if you believe he was always here then why is it so hard to believe the earth was always here just might not have always been populated there are other planets that don't have any living creatures on them so how is it hard to believe the earth is the same? Just something to think about.

Answer 7

Since time started (by our definition) at the big bang, in this universe no.

Also quantum theory has predicted that matter, at the quantum level can pop into and out of existence. This has been shown to be true.

Now, if you extend your criteria beyond our universe, then the concept of 'time' becomes very squirrelly, so a point in time becomes somewhat meaningless. It is thought that our universe is part of a multiverse of universes and that while here we can perceive 4 dimensions, and can not move freely in one of them, that there are actually 11 dimensions in the multiverse. I do not know about you, but I can't think in 11 dimensions. Luckily for us there are a few people who can.

To paraphrase Barbie: 11 dimensional math is hard.

Answer 8

Other than God, no. The laws of science still exist. All things have a beginning and an end.

Answer 9

Absolutely, it's possible for something to exist without a point of beginning. That's essentially what your question is asking, because if it doesn't have a point of beginning, then it must have always been there (the only two options we know of!) The problem is it's difficult for humans to really grasp this concept because everything in our experience is finite (the opposite of infinite) and have starting and finishing points. We can understand the definition of 'eternity' but it's really hard to actually 'fathom' it. There aren't many examples of endlessness without utilizing a certain amount of faith. We could say the Earth is infinite because we really don't know when it was created. We have faith that our methods of scientific evaluation can determine it's creation, but we really don't know for sure. God is without time because He has revealed that through His prophets. But if you don't believe in God or have faith in His words, then that is not a good example for you. So you see, it's difficult to know for sure, without having a measure of faith (or acceptance of the fact) that the possibility of eternal things exist... especially because none of us have lived long enough to see the proof. Just ask yourself, "why not? why can't something exist forever?" Everything is in a constant state of decay but nothing ever vanishes out of existence. Certain combinations of things, like particular animals or stars will come undone, but their 'parts' never go away completely. So if you want to get philosophical, technically -everything- exists without a point of beginning, it just rearranges itself with other 'things' to come up with new combinations of 'stuff'.

Answer 10

Nothing "comes into" existence. Anything that exists always has and always will.

Forms of existence change such that we may only perceive an item's existence for a certain time, but that does not mean it did not exist in another form we can not perceive.

Answer 11

Existence without time may be possible.