If God plans the moment of our birth and death, why are abortion and murder immoral?

Question

Please, be gentle, i'm actually looking for an answer, not to just get people angry.

Look at it this way- if God has planned the moment of every birth and death, aren't the mother who has the abortion or the murderer just going along with god's plan?

I'm looking at psalm 139, verse 16. It says " You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day before I began to breathe. Each day was recorded in your book."

Now, if each day is recorded before you were born, wasn't it in the book already that you were going to be aborted or murdered? Isn't the mother or the murderer just doing what God had planned for them to do, because the person who died was already scheduled to have been killed on that day?

(sigh)

a) If god said "Thou shall not kill", but planned every murder, isn't he contradicting himself?
He may have said that, but he isn't following it.

b) Free will: Its wonderful to think that we have it, but if every moment of our lives is planned out, then we don't, do we?

Mrs. Justak.

How am I ignorant? You agree that god plans our births and deaths. If god plans your death, and you are murdered, then god planned that you should be murdered. I'm the ignorant one?

Paul:

If God has a plan for us, but knows everything that is going to happen, why would he formulate a plan past the point that you were going to be murdered or aborted?

Answer 1

These things weren't "planned" or "scheduled." (Darn those translators!) Murder IS wrong. God has simply recorded what he knew was going to happen. He knew it was going to happen but it wasn't planned or scheduled for you to get murdered. He knew it was gonna happen and recorded it.
Now, we DO have a free will because we can choose to do evil or good. Just because God knows what we're going to choose does not mean we don't have a free will. Choose to do the right thing, it's YOUR choice....

Answer 2

God does have a plan for each of us, but as I will soon explain, our free will empowers us to change our own destiny as well as others'. Take a look at this scenario; it explains how time does not apply to God....

Yes, God sees our life as a done deal. Yet, we ourselves do have free will to choose. It would be like I could go back in time, meet with George Lucas while attending USC film class. I would know everything about what he would write and the companies he would start. Does he have free will to write Star Wars? Yes. Would my knowledge change the fact that Darth Vader will be Luke Skywalker's dad? No. It's a done deal because I am not bound by time.

In this scenario, God has a plan for Lucas. However, it is his own free will which will ultimately determine his destiny, regardless of God's plans for him. Another example might be an aborted baby. God may have a plan for that baby, but He already knows that the baby will be aborted by his or her mother's free will.

I hope this at least makes a few things clearer for you.

Answer 3

Obviously because such acts subvert God's plan. God has a plan for each life, which includes a beginning, an end, and certain accomplishments between the two. When human beings play God by deciding when a human life will end, God's plan, including all the good He wanted that individual person to accomplish, is eliminated. The fact that God, Who sees the fullness of time, and has therefore already seen all the sins human beings commit against one another in opposition to His plan, doesn't change what is His plan for each human being.

Answer 4

My mother and daddy planned my birth. Well not exactly planned. They planned to have a little fun and thought they would be all right just this one time without using a rubber. So here I am. I thank Mom and Dad I wasn't aborted. God had nothing to do with it. Don't excuse murder by blaming God.
Kisses Betty B.

Answer 5

No sweety, what it means is that someone interfered with God's plan.

I have a feeling God made this world so that we could choose to live in it "perfectly" in the sense that Jesus was perfect.

He also gave us free will, and knew that people would turn away from Him....so I think in as far as His making a plan, he also knew that people would fall from grace and turn away. So He created an end for the sufferings of the people who have faith and call out to Him.

God works in mysterious ways...it isn't for us to know all His ways. That is part of what faith is too, not knowing. None of us were ever meant to know...just to believe and have faith.

Understand?

It is not up to us to judge those who choose to believe something different. We need to live our lives by example so others can see the path to God.

He gave us each special gifts so we can do just that.

I don't believe you can brow-beat anyone into faith...in fact that just drives people away. I think by example is best, and that some people just have to find their own way to God in their own time.

Churches are meant to be gathering places for believers to come together and worship...not to feel judged. Only God should judge. Religious leaders should offer us refuge and a place to feel at home spiritually and make you feel safe and welcome.

That's what has gone missing in today's world. Maybe it never existed at all, but that's what I feel church should be like.

I think people are tormented when having to make a decision like abortion...murder is another thing...it is often premeditated or caused my insanity...I don't know...evil...being not of that mind frame I could not tell you.

But I do believe most women who choose abortion do so out of desperation, fear, youth, ignorance...which is why they should have proper counseling before they make such a decision.

I don't believe anyone should tell someone they will burn in hell if they choose to do so. Rather, tell them it is a grave sin in God's eye, and a breaking of his 10 commandments. That way they feel they are not being judged by humanity, but by God and it is their spiritual decision to make.

As I said most would opt differently if kindess and understanding was offered to them, but often it isn't.

Do you ever stop and think that the devil's people rule the earth?

Perhaps in the absence of ALL those lives that were taken by sin, what grew in their place was the evil. With these lives not here to impact the world the way they were meant to be, they never effected the changes they should have.

What if JFK had not been assassinated and had gone on to be President?

What if Martin Luther King?

What if evil never won over good?

Get the picture?

As I said...you must go by faith and even if you wont, God has already promised his people that when the time is right, He is coming for them. Book of Revelations.

Answer 6

People plan their Death by the decisions they make -- or refuse to make...

Abortion is an argument against personal choice over physiology. Moral judgment over biology is an illusion and only makes the judges feel better about their own choices. So begins again the sterilization of Retards in the name of God.

Answer 7

You may as well say that if God plans our birth and death ,then if I choose to murder someone, it's o.k. it must be in God's plan. Not! God does have a perfect plan for each of us. The key here is that we have to choose His plan for our lives. The murdering and violent crime that is running rampant in these times is a result of people not choosing what God has for their lives.It's not God's will .The mess that we see in the world today is a result of sin. I have to think that even though you people say these bizarre things that somewhere deep inside you have to know how crazy they are. God help us!

Answer 8

Wow, good question. I think it is Immoral because God has a plan, but Murder and abortion is not part of it. That is the individuals thinking, not GODs.

Answer 9

This is a great question, the Providence of God and free will is a mystery that has dazzled theologians all the time.

I think the answer is that God loves us so much that He keeps us in existence and that He even gives us freedom to sin against Him. He wants our love and that is only possible for us to give by free will.

Love is the answer, God wants our love so much that He even takes the risk of our not giving it.

Answer 10

Knowing the times of our life is not the same as being the cause of every action. Since God is a being not subject to the clock as we are, since he is God in all time he knows the end form the beginning because all time is present before Him. Jesus told those people there during His mortal ministry that He is present before Abraham was.. I know it can be hard to get your mind around. A being without subjection to time. But this is how He knows the end from the beginning. Because it is all in His present.. Jim