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I need reliable scientific proof about the evolution process, and how we and the universe came to be, and by that same token, some information to dispell creationism.

Yeah, this is one of those evolution/creationism debates that I have gotten myself into with a hard-core religious person. I am atheist by the way.

While I respect the religion of others, I will most certainly defend evolution against creationism anyday.

I have done my research, but am looking for additional information to present to the person I am debating with.

2007-06-27 13:11:48 · 44 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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~smiles~ wee here we go. ..
Evolution is a not a fact yet.. it is still a theory until they have completed the line of evaluation it is all speculation to me..

2007-06-27 13:16:53 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 10

Well, you could always take a course at a respectable University, preferably one whose name does not include the words: Saint, Chapel, Holy, Old, or Bible. Or, if you're strapped for cash, just try to find a respectable University that even has creationism as a course in it's curriculum and compare it to the number of Universities that teach Evolution. Which ever you find the most of is the one that the scientific community accepts as true. If you accept that your computer can display the words you typed to make this question and the responses people posted to it, then you accept that the scientific community has a pretty good idea of what it's doing.

2007-06-27 13:25:34 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

While I applaud you fighting for your beliefs, but considering scientists haven't found any proof, you'll just have go with what exists, which is theory. Of course, there is proof of some creatures evolving, none of it will prove your point. You'll just have to agree to disagree until you find that DVD of the big bang.

Rustednickel or whatever, is not right. Most creationists do not believe the world is only 6000 years old, and the earth is called an orb in the bible, clearly not saying its flat. Using this guy's rationale will just get you hammered by the person you're debating.

2007-06-27 13:20:45 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Ask the person if he has changed at all since he was born. In other words, has he evolved throughout his life. You know, in the same way that all people evolve throughout their lives. If he has, then he must know that evolution is real. If he has not, in other words if he is still the same as the day that he was born, then you cannot convince him.

You might also ask what use god would have for genes that mutate in succeeding generations if there were no significance to the mutations on succeeding generations.

Mostly, you should realize that you are most likely fighting a losing cause. Cretinists do not understand science, and therefore are not interested in any scientific evidence. You will most likely be talking to the audience, not to your fellow debater.

2007-06-27 13:19:46 · answer #4 · answered by Fred 7 · 1 1

Explain how all the elements of a human cell came together through evolution. This is like saying: "There has been a tornado and a Boeing 767 has been created from the wreckage". And now explain how it then got it's memebrane so important to keep the elements safe together. We need a plant the size of NYC to produce one such living cell... and we have billions upon billions of these cells in our bodies. There is no reliable proof to back the process of evolution. Science today is teaching us more and more that there is a God!

2016-04-01 08:08:18 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

darwins Origin of Man would be a good start since it is where it all began and I to am in this debate And I asked to where the proof is for the bible its a history book for the jewish people based on several prior religions and their beliefs its not based on fact but was a way to try and get answers so they made some up not very scientific but than again creation isnt based on science either so they wont crack and no mater what you say they wont belive you no mater what you say soon the world will be the center of the universe and galialo was wrong good luck

2007-06-27 13:26:20 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Creationists cannot substantiate their beliefs with any real evidence at all. While it may seem ludicrous to us non-believers that any intelligent being could argue for such an illogical concept, people WILL believe what they need to believe, and nothing will convince them otherwise.

Give up trying to be right and agree to disagree.

Evolution makes perfect sense and is obviously the most rational explanation for our existence but it is nevertheless still just a theory. Far better supported by evidence and research, it remains only an unproven "best guess".

Darwin's theories and Dawkins provide the best arguments.

2007-06-27 13:29:31 · answer #7 · answered by Kella G 5 · 0 0

Pick up Richard Dawkins The God Delusion and The Blind Watchmaker. He is a very well written atheist and is also required reading for medical students in biology. The real problem that you have here though is that you are arguing with a creationist!! You cannot argue logic with someone who is irrational. Simple as that.

To talk of immaterial existences is to tlak of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise....without plunging into the fathomless abyss of dreams and phantasms. I am satisfied and sufficiently occupied with the things which are, without tormenting or troubling myself about those which may indeed be, but of which I have no evidence. -Thomas Jefferson

2007-06-27 13:25:31 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

YOu're not going to totally find it.

When all is said and done, you will not be able to convict OJ for murder based on evolutionary evidence. You might do ok in a civil courts where the rules are different.

What you are going to get are some convincing information.

Humand and Chips are only 3,000,000 chomesoems different which amounts to 97% compatiblity.

One of the biggest bits of OJ evidence you are going to get is the FUSED chromosome.

Now, in order to establish CHOMOSOME FUSION they are going to start talking plants, vegtables, insects, viruses and things like catepillars which evolve faster than humans and they going to be able to show that fusion can occur.

But does fusion in a butterfly convict OJ of murder and make Man and Chimp

It's PLAUSABLE and POSSIBLE but no one will put OJ in the Gas Chamber with that evidence.

It won't stand criminal law muster in a court

Civil muster, maybe

What you need is what Star Trek 2 did.

A dead, planet with NO organic life but lots of primordial inorganic chemistyr going on.

You then put up a video camera and wait 2 million years and see if you can capture one organic moleclue formed naturally from the inorganics.

Now you start to have a case.

And in another million years if that one orginic compound spaws vast amount of plant and animal and fish life.

You now have the true SCIENCE of EVOLUTION and it has graduated up from a theory to reality.

You not going to get that

You're goiong to get apples and oranges and that proves monkeys and man.

What you going to get is the POSSIBLE

I say it is POSSIBLE there is a God and he pushe the button and made it all happen with skill, science, intent and he knew what he was doing when he made it all happen.

Like man creating the IPOD, God created the matrix that gives the entire universe what it is.

It is possible

I can do the same trick with apples and oranges to show you or anyone else it is possible.

NO ONE can say it's IMPOSSIBLE

Two scientists say they created RNA out of inorganics in 1953, no one has been able to do it again

But if MAN can create RNA out of a gilbert Chemistry set, so can GOD

That didn't happen from a RANDOM LAB ACCIDENT

It was INTELLEGENT DESIGN, two scientists willfully trying to make organics.

I can prove INTELLGENT DESIGN over and over and over.

FACT

Seedless watermellons don't grow naturally on trees (or vines). They are INTELLEGENTLY DESIGNED

I mean if nature made watermellons without seeds, they go extinct!

Some apples are dry, some are sour, some are sweet but Motts apple sauce always tastes the same because it is INTELLEGENTLY DESIGNED

Now there are forms of evolution that do have some proofs, such as Social Evolution, Economic Evolution, but these are not the kinds of evolutioin that makes life or changes thinngs.

And Biology and Genetics are not evolution, they are branches of science that look for proofs of evolutionary theories.

Few universities give PH Ds for EVOLUTION

The only one I ever heard of with the London School of Econimics

2007-06-27 13:33:53 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

Jeez, there's a difference between a Scientific Theory and Theory. Some people need to learn how to read,

And to answer your question, I wouldn't debate with a creationist. They start with the assumption that god already exist. Their beliefs have probably been instilled in them since they were young. Just leave them alone.

2007-06-27 13:21:24 · answer #10 · answered by Armand Steel 3 · 0 0

The library. Evolution doesn't need defending anymore than the theory of gravity needs defending. It simply is. If the person you are debating is too lazy to do the research that you said you did then let them revel in their own ignorance.

2007-06-27 13:30:31 · answer #11 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

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