What if the universe has simply always been here?

Question

Its a hard thing to wrap ones head around. If were going with the "the universe is to complex to not have been designed" then the creative force must have been equally or more complex and therefore must also have been designed. What if instead of god being the end point of regressive arguments like this it is simply the universe we are already in. Big bang theory talks about what happened at specific point in time but the matter must have already existed. The definition of universe can be played around with to refute this statement but i am sure most of you are intellegent enought o understand te concept. Why does god have to be the cause of everything, why couldn't the universe the ultimate endpoint instead of god. Look at all the complex things the universe has already created? (pantheistic attitude but hey why not)

Answer 1

Actually the refinements of the Big Bang theory postulate matter coming from nothing. It was just a quantum fluctuation in the vacuum.

Anyhow The whole Big Bang theory was proposed to give a religious man, the Belgian priest Georges Lemaitre, a way to claim creation happened.
Before the adoption of the Big Bang theory the idea was that the universe had always existed just exactly like it was and that it was stable. This was also mostly for theological reasons. The idea was that everything was created perfect and then after God wound it up like a magical watch it would just keep ticking along forever. This was the religion of William Paley, and the whole idea behind his divine watchmaker analogy. It was also the faith of classical physics.

An eternal and unchanging universe simply does not agree with the observations though. As for the way itmight be that is still being explored.

Answer 2

Actually, the ancients hebrews believed that life was a circle. There is no begining or end. It is merely the start of an age and the end of an age.

It is possible the universe was always around. Perhaps the whole universe is God. I'm not sure since really a lot of religions don't address such things.

Perhaps this universe is but an age that began and will end and something else will exist in the next age.

Answer 3

Simply because the laws of physics have not always existed which proves that matter could not have always existed.

For any law to be established, someone with authority has to enforce it. For instance, take the laws of our nation. The government upholds those laws or else they would have no effect. Likewise, the laws of the universe need an authority that sustains them or else they would be of no effect.

In addition, the Big Bang has shown that the laws of physics had a beginning. Therefore, since they had a start, they could not have always existed.

We also know the universe is not limitless. Think about this: when you look in the night sky you see a scattering of stars. If the universe were endless, then there would be so many stars, the night sky would look like a white sheet of paper. However, since there are a limited number of stars, the universe could not be endless.

The universe had a point of birth which means that something caused it to become what it is. Therefore, the universe could not have simply always been.

Answer 4

Sounds like steady-state theory to me, with a little bit of string theory thrown in for good measure. Read Carl Sagan?

Problem with steady-state theory: The universe has been steadily expanding. Meaning, some time in the distant past, the universe was contracted to its smallest point. In other words, the universe had a beginning.

Now, string "theory." Some say it's a scientific theory. I disagree. A theory is something that CAN be proven using evidence and facts. String theory, if it's EVER proven, would take roughly twenty billion years just to prove that there may NOT be a God, and that's only IF there are a hundred million billion billion billion billion billion billion other universes (Yeah, that's a ten followed by 53 zeroes.), and that's only giving two years to explore ten billion universes. And that's ALSO only if those 10 million billion billion billion billion billion billion other universes contain no life at all.

My number was arrived at by mathematics professors that have calculated the odds of our universe being random. That's the CONSERVATIVE estimate of the fine-tuning of our universe. Lucky? NO ONE is that lucky!

Answer 5

Don't waist your time... Most people don't understand that the Big Bang is not the actual begining of the universe, but the point in time where the laws of physics began to apply.

They will tell you that God created the universe but when you ask them who or what created God, they look at you as if you are stupid and say that he always existed.... So why can't they accept the same answer that the universe always existed?

Answer 6

Why might desire to the universe replace God ? God and the universe might desire to be one ! And a technique or the different the universe got here into being. each little thing is clever in the universe - in the two macro- and micro cosmos, so it appears that evidently like the universe has a plan or is nearly a brilliant plan/map and somebody might desire to have created this map or homestead. no longer something comes into existence via itself. each little thing must be led to. in keeping with danger you will possibly desire to examine Thomas of Aquino. yet i'm able to additionally turn the tables: why then, is it so illogical to think approximately that, in keeping with danger universe has continually been and has a author.

Answer 7

Something has to have always existed or the principle of cause and effect breaks down... It makes much more sense for this something to be existance itself (the universe) rather than something sentient existing, but not doing anything, amidst nonexistance.

Answer 8

Even if we leave God out of it, we have to keep going back to the thing before and the thing before that and the thing before that ad infinitum. A universe outside of time seems the likely solution, even if I can't wrap my primitive brain around it.

Answer 9

You can go a step further and hypothesize that time was also created during the big bang, so therefore causality goes out the window.

Answer 10

Such a belief ignores the question of how the universe came into existence.