For Atheists: Give me the solid proof that there is no God?

Question

Truth is, I am a firm believer in God's existence. And, no, I have no 'burden' to proof that there is either.
I think every human knows, that God does exist, it's just the matter whether we choose to devote (a believer) or not to devote (non-believer).
Thank u for the feedbacks and replies.

Answer 1

If I may, you have the power to dismiss anything that i say to bolster my case and it dissloves into the Monty Python "Argument Clinic" sketch.

Now, I could ask for "the solid proof" that God exists, but I am not going to challenge your faith. If this is what you believe, I respect that. I request you extend that same courtesy to atheists and agnostics

Answer 2

Well besides the fact that there is no solid proof there is a God, here are a few things:

1) Where are the remains of Noah's Ark? This thing was supposed to have housed 2 of EVERY ANIMAL on Earth. There are over 10,000,000,000,000 insects on earth, so 2 of each of those, not to mention the other millions of creatures. This boat would have been larger than Texas and visible from space, yet noone can find a single piece of wood from it? Seems strange.

2) Humans each have 5 senses which they use to establish things as being real. I cannot, nor can anyone else, see/smell/hear/feel/taste God. If we can't sense him, how is he real?

3) Have you ever read the bible? Heard these stories about God? He says "let there be light and let there be animals and so on and so forth" and BAM there it is? This is like a child's story. This is more unrealistic than any story of dragons or unicorns. This kind of fiction is comparable to Harry Potter. It's magic. It's fake.

4) If there is God, which one is it? Allah? Buddah? Christ? Some indian god? Zeus? How can there be billions of people believing in so many different Gods? Which one did all this creation? How can two indian tribes go to war and both pray to their respective God's for victory than one gets slaughtered?

5) Finally, if there is God, how is he just standing by as all this horrible stuff happens everyday in the world? How is he letting people like me blast his name and other people commit acts of blasphemy without doing anything? Why is his presence nowhere to be found except in the minds of people who's parents told them God exists? Answer me those.

Answer 3

I can't give you "proof", but I'll give you some logical progressions, and let you draw your own conclusions

1. 50,000 yrs ago > Paganism > Cavemen
2. 10,000 yrs ago > Polytheism > Hunter Gatherer's
3. 5,000 yrs ago > Pantheism > Tribes
4. 1000 yrs ago > Monotheism > Nations
5. Forever > Atheism > Individuals

The vast majority of people have progressively given up many gods for fewer gods. The only reason atheism is embraced by individuals, and not by nations is because the larger the group, the more they are influenced by fear, and religion (gods) quell fear.

Follow:

1. No education > fear of every thing unknown
2. Limited education > fear of some things unknown
3. Some education > fear of few things unknown
4. Substantial education > little fear of the unknown
5. Thorough education > no fear of the unknown

Now consider these facts:

5000 years ago people feared everything. They thought that supernatural phenomenon (which gods are) caused, birth, death, eclipses, thunder and lightening. They thought the world was flat, and the earth was the center of the universe.

500 years ago people were still very frightened of nature. They thought supernatural phenomenon caused droughts, famines, plagues and sickness, but they knew the earth was round, and some knew it was not the center of the universe.

100 years ago people started to replace fear with knowledge on a grand scale. They learned that weather patterns caused droughts and famines, diseases cause plagues and sickness, and the earth is only one of trillions of other planets in a incredibly vast universe.

65 years ago, people learned that matter and energy could be converted, which nobody thought was possible. 25 years ago they learned how to connect and communicate with the planet through beams of light in plastic fiber.

Could a caveman conceive of an atom bomb or the internet? of course not. This is exactly the reason why you can't conceive of existence without god. The knowledge that will explain the origin of the universe awaits a generation hundreds, perhaps thousands of years in the future, but it will be the discovery of this KNOWLEDGE that will retire god once and for all.

I don't have proof this will happen, I only have the logical progression of everything that has gotten us from huddling in caves to sending text messages on cell phones as my reason for why humans will grow beyond the need for god. I am willing to believe this will happen, and live my life with that certainty because it's a thousand times better than living the lie of religion that has been reinvented countless times since man first stood upright.

Answer 4

Actually in a logical argument, the burden of proof rests with the theist.... since everything around you is explainable thru science..... Get beyond hs biology, and you have a chance to understand it. Watch the Discovery Channel, and read Scientific American, Discover Magazine, and the National Geographic Magazine. By about age 23, you will be able to easily answer this question yourself, but for starters.....

Historically, as we know more and more, religion accounts for less and less. Believers are asked to make leaps of faith over and over and over in the face of solid scientific evidence as to how life got here.... it used to be that god(s) caused disease, famine, thunder, lightening, plague, floods, and the rest. Now that we know what causes those, we no longer spend 9 hours per day praying to gods....
The word here is reasonable. And the history of man has had many gods... take your pick, they are all about the same.

All are fairy tales, folk lore and the musings of stone age starving shepherds in the middle east. (The others are never considered --- those in Asia, Central and South America before the introduction of European influence. The one we are most familiar with is the one of the old testament, but there were others, even among the jews themselves.... So, hon, again, take your pick,,,, Thor, Odin, Osiris, Horus, Apollo... same dog, different collar.)

Hope this answer wasn't too difficult for your level of education so far. Keep a curious mind, hon.... Question everything

Answer 5

first of all, if it fairly is so, it would not coach the existence of God (you hint at this on your upload.) It would not coach the existence of God (capital G and singular) If we've been to boost our minds basically a tiny bit, and communicate with regard to the existence of a few thing non secular, or previous-human, a author or a resourceful stress with a will (which it is going to have as a manner to be a god), there are nonetheless important obstacles. this question confuses me, on condition that i'm uncertain WHAT you're offering it proves? You pronounced "no longer basically a christian god", properly, they very thought of God is particular, and as a result could be a factor of the question. WHICH god are you proving to exist? If this could be a declare to data of a few thing supernatural i could say 2 issues: one million. It would not coach that. fairly it in simple terms proves the interconnection, no longer magical, of reason and consequence and the oneness of existence. each and every thing is linked. you want to call that God? positive. yet there is not any logical reasoning in the back of it. Quantum mechanics is a somewhat new field, so this is effortless to recover from excited. Chemical memory continues to be being labored in/out. If shown, it says that a new child could have awareness and memory from his or her mom in his or her DNA. of direction, this is not any longer the comparable as quantum mech. 2. end finding for God. he's here, and he's not. end getting so caught up in Western Aristotelian good judgment. some thing could be and not be on the comparable time. this is observed as paradoxical good judgment. God is existence, existence is God. you're God. God isn't.

Answer 6

* The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim; otherwise, we would just accept the existence of Zeus, Allah, and thousands of other gods without proof, as well as dragons, pixies, goblins, and every fictional character in every book or movie.


Nobody can prove any gods, much less a specific god, exist; many people will tell you their god exists but no others, but will never be able to prove it, even if they think so. Some will threaten you with eternal pain or promise eternal joy to get you to believe in their god; these are all stories, created for people who were scared long before we understood the universe. Now we have no more reason for these superstitions.

How terrible the bible in particular is:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
http://www.evilbible.com/

What's the origin of the Jesus stories?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen048.html
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/jesus.html

How silly and horrible religion in general is:
http://godisimaginary.com/
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

The alternative:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/
http://www.infidels.org/
http://www.positiveatheism.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism

Answer 7

YOU are the one making the extraordinary claim. It is therefore incumbent on YOU to provide proof that there IS a god. Since it is a logical impossibility to prove the non-existence of ANYTHING, we have no burden of proof to you. Could you prove that there is NOT a Hoover Spirit vacuum cleaner, complete with hose and attachments, in orbit around Neptune? Of course not. If I were to claim that there IS, it would be up to ME to prove it. So, the ball is in YOUR court, not ours. Prove your claim, or keep quiet about it.

Answer 8

I say that there is an invisible windmill in Central Park: prove to me that it isn't there.

Young lady, you are putting the cart before the horse. If I made the supposition above, the burden of proof would be on me. Similarly, when you propose to me that an undetectable Presence controls all that is, the burden of proof falls upon you.

Answer 9

Why, you want to convert to atheism but you're not sure it's the right path for you to take? Atheism is a belief about reality grounded in rational thinking supported by evidence. Most atheists believe in evolutionary theory, for example, because it's logical and supported by evidence and testing. Most atheists do not believe in a heliocentric universe, for example, because while it's logical from personal observation, it's not supported by testing.

God, on the other hand, is denied in the atheist view because this concept as applied by various theistic doctrines has logical inconsistencies and is not supported by evidence, nor is it tested.

Rather than the somewhat fallacious "you can't prove a negative" argument you're going to get, it's more logical to say that atheists do not believe in god because given the current evidence, there is no rational reason to do so.

Most atheists that I've seen here and out in the offline world aren't out to convert people to atheism. They're out to stop people from trying to convert them to theism and to stop legislation based on theism. Hence, the clash with theists. Rather than mention the questionable assertions about "burden of proof," instead I offer this: as an atheist, I have don't care if you believe in god or not, so I have no stake in trying to prove god doesn't exist. Proof does not alter my circumstances because I am not trying to convert you, "freedom of religion" is already legislated, and "separation of church and state" is comfortably ensconced as law by the interpretation of the First Amendment by the Supreme Court.

Why would it be unnecessary for me to disprove god, while I can turn around and demand that theists prove god exists? It seems hypocritical, doesn't it? It's actually not. A theist has a stake in my belief. Most theism doctrines want converts, so theists are duty bound to attempt to convert me into their doctrine. Additionally, most theists want the law of the land to reflect their values and ideology. In order to prove that their religious ideology should be legislated, they must prove that there is more foundation than religion for it be so. Hence, they must "prove" god.

It's not about "proof" or even who has the "burden of proof." It's about the believer's political and social agenda.

I don't believe there is a god. I don't have proof there is no god. Does this make a difference in the usual atheist/theist argument? It makes a difference in one, single way: we lack a culture where theists truly believe in Freedom of Religion. Atheists generally believe in Freedom of Religion. You are free to believe and practice any religion you choose. Atheists only ask the exact same right. This is a right that a significant number of theists do not believe people who believe differently should actually have, except in a fringe manner. If this were not true, we wouldn't have the religous conflicts that we do have.

So no, I will not give you proof that there is no god. I neither have it nor do I have any interest in obtaining it.

Answer 10

hey hun im christian as well, dont ask them these questions they cant prove anything because they are not smart, they think that they are smarter than God, ahh i feel so sad, satan is doing what he always wanted to do, to prove to God that his own creation would turn against him, but thank goodness there are still people in this world who love God! i can already imagine whats going to happen during the end of times. anyways like i was saying they are not smart, all their going to say is "prove there is a GOD" sorry douches we cant prove anything thats the point of being Christian, to believe, have faith that there is a GOD, and GOD isnt going to prove himself to any of you, we are all not worthy. Also God chooses his peoples, if you dont believe in him, then your eyes werent opened, simple as that.