Atheist logic makes no sense?

Question

Here's what one atheist asked earlier:

"If you are a good person and you haven't committed any major sins during your life and you love God but believe in the wrong version and God is all powerful and can see the future, why would he create someone just so they can burn in Hell forever when they die?"

"How is this fair?"

This person totally misses the point. First off, there is no such thing as a good person. We are all sinners in the eyes of God. Only through Jesus can we avoid Hell. God does not send us to Hell for not believing. We choose to go to Hell ourselves.

If you were a convicted murderer and the governor wanted to pardon you, but you refused to accept it then the pardon wouldn't do any good. You would still be executed.

Same exact thing with Jesus. We might as well be like convicted murderers when it comes to God since no unclean thing can get into Heaven. We must believe in Jesus to be forgiven.

Agree?

Answer 1

Don't expect logic from an atheist ...their arguments are almost always filled with irrational hate for God....

Blaming God for why sinners go to hell is ONLY a way to excuse their obvious hatred for God and other sins.
Don't expect them to accept responsibility for their sins...taht would take courage.

Answer 2

I am a atheist i was and still am being brought up with science

The reason religon exists is because people do not want to accept the fact that before the human race and dinosaurs and whatever there was nothing.

Nothing.

Nothing.

They don't want to believe that when they die.

There is nothing.

Nothing.

So somebody decided that it would be a nice idea for story time. There was these two wonderful people that were created by God a man in the sky to start the human race.

Adam and Eve were his prototypes.

And for death

Another story. If you've been good you go to heaven. A magical place where all your wishes come true. But if you've been bad to hell you go. Where you'll be brutally excuted and live in a firey death hole. Even though you've been torture most likely to death. You continue living in pain because of the horrible you've done.

Similar to the Santa theory. If you've been good you'll be rewarded if you've been bad you aren't.

Religon is the reason behind such miserary and terribly violent doings that are distroying our earth.

What was before life.

Nothing.

What is after life.

Nothing.

Get used to it. Nobody believes in fairies, unicorns and gnomes why do we suddenly believe of a magical realm in the sky.

If god is real I'd like to tell him what a bad job he is doing.

Answer 3

Uh,(raise hand) Mr. D this statement here is sorta illogical

If you were a convicted murderer and the governor wanted to pardon you, but you refused to accept it then the pardon wouldn't do any good. You would still be executed.

Okay, you have to apply for a pardon and that denotes that you wanted a pardon in the first place so why would you deny it.

I guess one really has to be stretch the imagination too follow things. Which is I guess acceptable in some circles.

Answer 4

I have to agree with Jillbean. Back to the drawing board.

Why would a being have such high expectations of us and yet refuse to prove its existence, like a mother that gave us up after birth and expected us to be raised by a book and its lousy translators? Why can we only see God through poetic interpretation ("God is a rainbow" or "God is a smiling face")? Why are God's expectations only enforced in the "afterlife," especially since we cannot prove that an afterlife exists either? Or can Christians make room for the concept of Karma? Why would this being send its word in a form that would become obsolete (via a book)? Didn't God think of that? Or are we all going to get an email with an updated version? Did that email fo to my spam folder? If God chose to write his word in ancient Hebrew, why aren't we all speaking ancient Hebrew?

Seems to me that all this makes a case for the fact that religion is something man invented to keep the dirty masses in line. That's why the rules are so messy and complicated and open for interpretation. An all-powerful, all-knowing God would create something more logical and beautiful.

Abandon your righteousness. Adopt humility. Be a conscious part of the universe. Like Jesus. Like God.

Answer 5

This is exactly what causes a lot of conflict in the world. Religeous people attacking other people that do not belief or that belief in a different god than they.

You say there is no such thing as a good person. Remember that according to your belief your god made everything, human beings included. I am not interested in a god that made a mess of everything he "created" Please don't tell me that he created us good but it is our choice to be bad. If something can become bad it was never perfect. Something that is perfect cannot go wrong.

Answer 6

Why would an atheist be worried about sinning? How can an atheist sin? This is just spurious christian drivel. 99% of all christians ignore the all but one of the 10 commandments (only obeying the "thou shall not kill one, and then only in the interest of self preservation). What christian doesnt lie, cheat, judge others? How many are busy committing adultery. Doesnt one of the commandments talk about the sin of worshipping idols and icons. How many churches dont have crosses, images of some hippy nailed to a cross, mary holding a baby? And as for the bit about gods forgiveness....well what a cop out. Be as shitty as you want all your life and as long as youre sorry....really sorry, before you die then god will forgive you? Get out of here.

Answer 7

You miss the points:

There are good people, lots of them, so many that I meet new ones every day, honest, hardworking people who are kind to friends and strangers like.

The questioner was playing with you by asking you to explain the inexplicable. You took the bait and wound up getting reeled in. Lucky for you he does catch and release! Now he's tricked you into saying that we've already been convicted of murder on the day we were born, which in your case, would seem to have been yesterday.

zzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz!

(sound the reel makes when you take the bait!)

Answer 8

Given that atheists don't believe that God exists, the person who replied as quoted was either a poseur, or was speaking hypothetically.

If you operate on the a priori assumption that there is a "Sky Father" and there is no evidence in support of that claim, are you operating logically?

A. J. Ayer suggested that the metaphysical had no place in logic.

Answer 9

So basically your idea is that without Jesus, a person who never existed, everyone is not saved?

Well I guess you are screwed then.

Here let me sum up how dumb your beliefs are by quoting a man who went to seminary school and did become a Rabbi for a little bit:

I think Christians are wrong. They're wrong because you're not judged by your actions, you're judged by your beliefs, which is to say that if you're Hitler and right before you die, you say, "Jesus, I'm sorry," you get a better chance of going to heaven than the millions of people you killed. – Gene Simmons

Answer 10

First, out of the thousands of gods invented, most are far more tolerant and far less tyrannical than your god.

Second, saying you choose to go to hell is ridiculous. You believe in a god that made up a system where people who don't believe in him are sent to hell. Your argument is kinda of like gangsters in movies saying "you did this to yourself" before killing somebody.

Third, even if we were to believe we deserve to die, it would be more similar to being in a room full of people who claim to be the governor, being allowed to only ask one of them for pardon without knowing which (if any) is the real one.

Answer 11

It's all about spin... since nobody can prove or disprove the existance of God, all you get is logic which can be tailored to suit our purposes. An atheist will see his logic as flawless, while a religionist will do the same about himself.

In the end, we each have to have a spiritual experience to convince ourselves that God exists and persist on that belief in faith. Logic will rarely convert the atheist or religionist one way or the other.