If a homosexual is born that way, and it's not a choice.....?

Question

then is it logical to say that I was born to be a Fundamentalist Christian? I mean, it's definitely always been a part of who I am as a person. No, I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I guess this question is mainly geared for those who would normally dislike a "fundie" like me...although it's open to anyone.

Any thoughts?

Some of you have totally missed the point of the question.
If you've read anything I've ever posted in this forum, you understand I don't think hiomosexuality is a choice. I'm not saying it isn't. The point of the question was to stimulate discussion, not drive home a viewpoint. I know that the vast majority of the questions in this section are really only thinly disguised political statements, but this wasn't intended to be one of them.

Brett, by the way...I view Richard Dawkins the same way you view the bible. So don't waste time quoting him.

Nobody ever attended debate class and learned the concept of devil's advocate? We post too many questions in YA designed as political statements and not questions intended to stimulate understanding and ideas.

Answer 1

You were not born a fundamentalist Christian. That requires knowledge of the Bible, which requires that you be in an area that has access to the Bible. You do choose to believe, even if your parents raise you to be a certain way.

Homosexuality is different, and I think this is pretty obvious. It does not require learning of any kind because it is basic, for sexuality is a fundamental part of humanity.

Scientists may be able to find genes that make you more likely to accept things LIKE fundamentalist thought, but that does not mean you will BE a fundamentalist Christian. Environment is an influence in more ways than one; that is, it can also "activate" certain genetic dispositions. If you are genetically likely to accept things like fundamentalist belief, this will almost certainly be "activated" in a household that supports it. However, something like homosexuality isn't really "activated" - it just IS, as a basic aspect of humanity.

From a different viewpoint, one would still say that you have chosen to have these beliefs (your life isn't over yet, either, so maybe your beliefs will change) and can escape them because it is a choice and because that choice concerns unproven ideas. It would be different to say that someone can choose to escape math, on the other hand, since math is understood to be definitively true by nature. Homosexuality, according to homosexuals, is not a choice (usually). If you choose to not believe what they say simply because you have pre-existing beliefs that say otherwise, you are being closed-minded and are unable to see from another perspective, searching desperately for a way to make the truth conform to what you already think rather than a way to make what you think conform to the truth. I'm not accusing you of anything here, since I read your additional comments. However, this is something important to understand.

Answer 2

My first thought: "Dear God, he's serious, isn't he?"

My second thought: deep, heavy sigh

My third thought: try, yet again, to explain to this person that sexuality is part of a person's identity, a propensity that once is certainly born with, the way some people are born left-handed.

My fourth thought: No matter what I, or anyone else here says, this kid is going to continue to believe that I somehow, out of perversity or just plain stubbornness, decided to stop being heterosexual one day and be gay.

My fifth thought: another deep, heavy sigh.

My sixth thought: Why are Xtians so damned obsessed about gay people? Are they jealous? Are they all secretly gay? Why does it matter so much to them?

My seventh thought: Should I make the cole slaw before or after I take my dog to the park?

My eighth thought: time to leave Yahoo Answers for the day. No matter how many times I try to explain that I am gay because I am gay, not because I suddenly chose to be gay, there will be dozens of non-gay people who will insist that it is otherwise. As if they have any experience of their own. As if they have any shred of evidence to back up their ludicrous claim. As if they, themselves, have any claim to making the world a better place, or raise better families themselves.

My ninth thought: Shower first, then dog to park, pick up some yogurt from Trader Joe's, then back home to make cole slaw and use some of the yogurt in the dressing.

My tenth thought: I really have better things to do with my time.

Rassum frassum .........

Answer 3

Being a fundamentalist you should have read in the law of Moses that there were isrealites who had"effeminate" spirits that were not commanded to be stoned ,but lived among and were part of the tribes. It's in the book of leviticus I believe. As far as being born a "fundie" you of all people should know to become a christian you must be born again;born of water and born of spirit.

Answer 4

I am willing to concede that some people are born with a desire or tendency towards people of the same gender. However, it is their choice as to whether or not they act on that drive.

You were born in the condition you were, but ultimately it has still been your decision as to whether or not to follow in your parent's faith. Either way the choice is yours and you are accountable for the decisions you make.

The "I was born this way" argument dodges the "right or wrong" part of the issue, and attempts to no longer even make it a factor by trying shed the accountability tied to their actions. "I was born this way; therefore, it is God's fault, not mine, that I chose to do this."

If your sexuality is what defines you as a person, you seriously need to go out and experience more of life. There are many more productive, and satisfying ways to define oneself rather that simply who you choose to sleep with.

Answer 5

Your so silly..I love it.. wee fun..

Homosexual is a trait that is dealing with a Spirituality and as well as humanity.Therefore, if an alleged “gay gene” did exist, the homosexual population eventually would disappear altogether. Science now know that it is not scientifically accurate to refer to a “gay gene” as the causative agent in homosexuality. (so far to date they are still looking)

As far as being born a Fundamentalist Christian..keke..the spirit in you was born in heaven before it was born here on earth..The only thing you were born as was a new creation, given flesh to live out your life and find you way back to God.

So we will stick to the Humanity and Spritualality of the situation.

I believe it is close to say it is ones own Humanity that says who they are..man or women well human.. It is our spirtuality that defines us.

Answer 6

On Y!A and elsewhere I have posted many thoughts with reference to the "Innate vs. Choice" arguments,...but it seems to me to be a waste of time...
...as it has been my experience that those who post these types of questions are not truly looking for substantive debate.
No, - the real reason, sadly enough, is that they are merely baiting an opportunity for conflict;...
putting an on-line 'chip on their shoulder' and daring those who oppose their views to come up to them and 'knock it off'.

However, in that this question appears to have been posted in a non-hostile fashion, I will leave you with this thought on the subject:

Given that identical twins are, for the practical intent and purpose of this debate, - genetic replicates of one another,...
...and if homosexuality is an innate human trait, and not at all rooted in a conscious or sub-conscious choice...

...then, by this argument, - all identical twins are either gay or straight; no gay person could have a straight identical twin, and vice versa...

Once you find a set of identical twins who do not share the same sexual orientation, then the "Innate vs. Choice" argument becomes moot;...
...and, I think it goes without saying, - they do exist...

This argument could hold for any 'trait' that has yet to have discovered for it a direct genetic link.

Logical enough?...;-)

P.S. For the record, I have nothing against homosexuals,...
(...or 'fundies',... or 'atheists')...;-)

Answer 7

No. Even the most devout Christian would not say that you were born a fundamentalist. You were presented with that option and chose to go with it. If you'd been born in Tibet, you'd be a Buddhist or you'd be a former Buddhist who converted to Christianity.

Answer 8

I won't judge you because I'm nobody to do that but one thing for sure is that homosexuality is against nature and homosexuality will not exist in heaven. God loves you no matter what because the Bible says He loves the sinner but not the sin. I believe God can (if you let Him) transform you to the image that He wants you to be. There's only one truth, only one God, and only one way to heaven and God's promises are conditional. If you want to be transformed you have to give God a chance. Peace.

Answer 9

This question is WHY I dislike fundies like you.

Um, no, that's not logical. But, you're a Fundamentalist Christian. If you started speaking logically, the universe would probably crash into dissolution.

Answer 10

well, Greg, is like this....enjoy your life and let others enjoy their's.
Like Alan said, the important thing is to be happy and not harm anyone in the process. Smile and be happy. Can fundies be in a perverted place like the Internet? Go figure!