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If so, then the Law must still be binding.
For sin is a transgression of the Law according to the New T.
Therefore the Sabbath is still to be kept according to Gods Holy Law of the Ten Commandments.

2007-06-25 20:50:16 · 23 answers · asked by shovelead 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

If the law never applyed to non Jews, (according to Julia D) was there no sin before jews? Did Cane sin when he killed Abel (he was not a Jew). If so there must have been a Law, for sin is a transgression of the Law.

2007-06-25 21:28:37 · update #1

23 answers

Yes of course you still sin after you are saved. The thing is you are not now judged based on your sin but based on Christ's lack of sin.

2007-06-25 21:07:54 · answer #1 · answered by CaTcHmEiFuCaN 4 · 0 0

I believe so, of course everyone reads the bible and gets somethng different. We were born of sin, and even the most devoute christian, makes mistakes, and is human. We were made in the image of our father, God, not a carbon copy. So yes, you can sin after you have been saved and have given your life to God. We are only human, the difference, for me is commitimg a sin is making a mistake, once you do it, you realize you made a mistake, you learn from it and you never do it again...if you do it again, it's like slapping GOD inthe face. That, I belive is what is wrong......you know when you maybe steal something, afterwards you know you made a mistake, you feel sorry about it, you ask for forgiveness and vow to never do it again...but then you do....You can't just keeping doing the same thing, knowing it's wrong and think : I';; just ask God to forgive me and I;m all good " This aint Wal -mart......you make a mistake, you're sorry, you never do it again, you move on....Period

2007-06-25 21:03:42 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

I'm a solitary Wiccan practitioner and the only God I choose to worship I the One God. I believe that if we Love All Unconditionally, we cannot break a commandment, nor can we sin. The only sin I believe in right now, is limiting what God can do and how much He loves us.

Blessed Be

2007-07-03 08:44:32 · answer #3 · answered by Linda B 6 · 0 0

Of course. We are all imperfect and until Armageddon we will continue to sin, but there is a difference between those that willingly sin as a lifestyle daily, or those who love Jehovah very much, but make mistakes that they truly are sorry and repentent for.

Most in the world, sadly are not repentent for their outrageous, immoral conduct.

2007-06-25 20:59:04 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Christians sin and they are bound by the Law. Christ said that he fulfilled the Law - and it is only by believing in Christ that you can begin to obey the Law.

2007-07-03 06:07:50 · answer #5 · answered by cheir 7 · 0 0

Ummm, the Law never applied to non-Jews in the first place, it was never binding. So Jesus coudn't have freed any non-Jew from it, since they were never bound by it in the first place. The Laws do not apply to you, then or now, except for the 7 Noahide Laws which were given to Gentiles in the Torah. Jews follow them too, in addition to the rest.

The Sabbath is not to be kept by the non-Jews, read what it says. It is a sign of the covenant between God and the Jews. If a non-Jew tries to keep it as the Jews do, they are sinning and breaking that law that says it is a sign between God and the Jews ONLY.

And no, Jesus didn't "fulfill" the Law, any more than stopping at a stop sign means "oh cool, now I've stopped at a stop sign and I don't have to ever do it again, Im not bound by it anymore! Yay!"

The Law is Eternal. Non-Jews are not grafted in, this is a Christian fairy tale. Non Jews will NEVER be grafted in, and that is because they don't NEED to be.

Non-Jews were given their way to have a place in the World To Come, they were told how to do this in the Torah, which Jews taught to the Gentiles until the Church fathers started burning them at the stake for doing it. Nevertheless, they still did teach it as best they could.

And that is by following the 7 Universal Laws, also known as the 7 Noahide Laws, 5 of which are found in the 10 Commandments, and then 1 that says to establish courts of law to uphold the laws of a civilized society, and then 1 that says that you shall not tear the limbs from a living animal to eat - and that is because non-Jews did that then quite frequently. Today, this law simply means that cruelty to animals is forbidden.

See http://www.noahide.org

When the Messiah comes, the Righteous Gentiles will worship side by side with the Jews, equally before God.

A Gentile becomes Righteous by following the 7 Noahide Laws, NOT by believing in a virgin human blood sacrifice for sin, which is an abomination to God. The Messiah in Judaism has NEVER had that role, he is not killed as a human sacrifice for sin at all, he lives a long life and is wholly human, not some "man/god" born of a virgin and God, which comes from ancient paganism.

So to recap, no you don't keep the Sabbath. As a non Jew you can sure take a day off to rest if you like, but this is not keeping the Sabbath, even if you call it that, because you were not given to do so. If you do, it is a sin in the eyes of God because you are trespassing on a covenant between God and the Jews, and the Law is Eternal and doesn't change.

EDIT: To Asker. Read what I wrote. I did not say that the 7 Noahide Laws never applied to you - indeed, they are the ONLY laws that ever HAVE applied to you as a non-Jew. Among those is "You shall not murder", to answer your quesion about Cain. These are Universal Laws that have been in effect since the Creation, according to Jewish tradition. They were written down at the time of the giving of the Torah on Mt. Sinai, but they were well known before that, and there have always been righteous people of ALL cultures who followed them long before Sinai. Jews follow them too, but also follow the others in addition, that were given specifically for them, by God. These are the ones that do not apply to non-Jews, such as the Sabbath.

Jesus did not "fulfill" these 7 Noahide laws for you, any more than you pulling up at a stoplight means that you have now fulfilled the stoplight law and no longer have to obey it. You are not "freed" from these laws, you do still have to follow them. If you don't know what they are, then look at http://www.noahide.org

Neither have you been freed from the rest of the laws which do NOT apply to you. This was also my point. You cannot be freed from something you were never bound by in the first place. That includes laws such as the Sabbath, which is what you were asking about. This law is given for the Jews only.

In other words, non-Jews have not been freed from any Law by Jesus. The laws that always applied to non-Jews the 7 Noahide Laws, are still in effect. You still may not murder, etc. The rest of the laws never applied to non-Jews, so you can't be freed from something that never applied to you.

What you need to learn is the difference between those laws that have always, and WILL always apply to you as a non-Jew, and those laws that are for the Jews only. You didn't do that in your question, since you asked about whether or not you need to keep the Sabbath. Hopefully now you have a better idea about it.

2007-06-25 21:13:43 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

Jesus said that loving God and our neighbor sums up the whole law.
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these." Mark 12:29-31

When people give their life to Christ, their sins are washed away, but they still have the sinful nature or flesh, that still is prone to sin.

2007-06-25 20:59:21 · answer #7 · answered by Friend of Jesus 4 · 0 1

I believe so. When you give your life to Christ you promise to always remember Him and the sacrifice He made for all humanity. In remembering this you are also reminded of His atonement allowing us to repent. His grand purpose in his sacrifice was so that we could all return to live with Him and our Heavenly Father. Because we all sin (usually on a daily basis) this would be impossible with out His amazing gift.

2007-06-25 20:59:04 · answer #8 · answered by Karen 4 · 1 0

Sin is a man made idea. The only true law is the law of karma. The only one you have to answer to is yourself. You cannot escape the cycle of karma.

2007-07-03 14:51:16 · answer #9 · answered by nevetS 1 · 0 0

Christians are sinners saved by grace. We live in a sinful world. Only way to completely escape sin is through death.

2007-06-25 20:55:45 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

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