dude, show a little respect for the westreners. ok? it is true that asian arts have influenced the westren world a great deal. there is no denying that at all. asian masters, the shaolin, etc are all legends and worthy of respect and praise when it comes to martial arts. and as a martial artist, i'm grateful to them and the things they developed. i'm not a evolutionist when it comes to the creation or anything, but i do know that things evolve and progress with time. with the influence of the martial arts, i belive that the westreners, like the US and other countries in the western hemisphere, have taken the asian martial arts and have adapted them to what they know and now we have new and very effective martial arts that are every bit as good as the asian martial arts. i give you the MMA. i'll give credit where credit is due. like i said, we wouldn't be where we are with out the asian influence, but even Bruce Lee himself held the belief that no style was supreme.
i took this from an article on UFC.com about bruce lee
"It would be interesting to see what Lee would have thought of mixed martial arts had he lived to see its birth in 1993. Most likely, he would have loved it, seeing how athletes studied various styles of fighting and then developed their own unique fighting style, just as he took his base of Wing Chun and analyzed hosts of different styles before coming up with JKD. And if MMA was around while he was alive, you can bet he would have taken a shot at it.
“He was always a guy who was up on the latest things,” said Serra. “He already was well rounded back then. So I’m sure that if he was alive, once the Jiu-Jitsu boom came into play, he would have been a black belt by now I’m sure. Because that’s a guy who was a
fanatic. I’m sure he would have been fantastic. He was a great athlete.”
And a true legend.
oh yeah, that's ong-bak, not ung-buk, the martial artist's name is tony jaa
2007-06-25 21:59:23
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answered by JAS 5
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ROFLMAO!
Dude this has to be a troll job, complete with misspellings and all... Funny to see how people will fall for it. I guess that is just the way it goes.
Let me help you out, whilst simultaneously making fun of others.
Jet Li
Muhammad Ali (Also known as Cassius Clay)
Tae Kwon Do.
Anyway let's look at each statement shall we...
Jet Li vs. Muhammad Ali = Ali now? Or at his prime. I don't know, I think Ali still might win now... (p.s. Jet Li has never fought professionally, or at an amatuer level ever)
Bruce Lee vs. Muhammad Ali. Probably Bruce Lee, though it is debatable, Ali had amazing footwork and size over Bruce, it isn't impossible for him to keep Bruce at reach. However Bruce studied many arts, and if he was able to take Ali down, he probably could have finished him...
Asians the Greatest swordsmen? That is debatable, while Japanese swordsmen were highly regarded, they hardly took the world by storm as the Greeks or Romans did.
Greatest Spear fighters: History shows that the Spartans were considered the greatest fighters with spears, Romans also were highly adept.
Btw, I would take any MMA fighter (boxing/wrestling/submissions/kickboxing etc) against any traditional Martial Artist in a fight any day.
Also keep in mind sports such as Pankration, the greek art that is much like today's MMA, that is very dominant.
Bruce Lee himself said that any boxer who also trained with wrestling could beat 90% of the Kung Fu masters out there.
However, please don't listen to anyone talking about Systema lol. Man I could go on and on about Systema, forget the hype.
Spetznaz uses Combat Sambo along with Military Combatatives not Systema. In fact no military or police force in Russia, or the former Soviety Bloc, or anywhere for that matter uses Systema.
Anyway, good luck with your trolling you should get plenty of good answers here.
Benny "The Jet" Urdiquidez is easily the most accomplished Karateka btw.
Ong Bak (Tony Jaa)
2007-06-26 05:08:30
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answered by judomofo 7
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I think Asian arts are some of the strongest, but I think Western athletes are the BEST!
Let's take a look at Tae Kwon Do. It's a South Korean martial art, an Olympic sport, and also the national sport of Korea (much like the NFL is to the USA, or the Premier League is to England).
However, the most successful Tae Kwon Do practitioner of all time is Steven Lopez, who has won the world championships three times and won gold at the Olympics twice.
Let's take a look at another Korean martial art - Tang Soo Do, based loosely on Shotokan Karate. Again, it's an oriental/Asian art, but the best practitioner in the world (jn my opinion) is Chloe Bruce from the UK. Check out http://www.chloebruce.co.uk or search "Chloe Bruce" on Youtube.com to see what I'm talking about.
Let's take a look at another example - Karate. Traditional Shorin Ryu Karate - the best practitioner is, without a doubt, Bill "Superfoot" Wallace. If you're a true martial artist you will know who he is without me giving any explanation. If you don't know who he is, you have no right calling yourself a martial artist! Google him.
Alright, you think Jet Li is a great fighter? Um, maybe not a great fighter, but he's a pretty good Wushu stylist. But I know someone even better. Tim Man. Search him on Youtube.com for some awesome videos, or check out http://www.mastunts.com for more info.
Muay Thai. The deadly art from Thailand. You'd think the Thais would be the best fighters, right? WRONG! Holland has produced some of the greatest fighters ever. Ernesto Hoost, Remy Bonjaski, Andy Sauwer (although his main style is Shootboxing, he also does MT), etc. etc. Do I need to go on? All of these guys have won K-1 multiple times, which is a tournament held in Japan - which is in Asia! Nothing like beating them on their own doorstep, is there?
Need any more examples?
2007-06-25 21:58:18
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answered by Anonymous
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haha honestly if you are a fan of Bruce Lee you would know that he would completely disagree with you. I believe that he is the greatest martial artist ever, but his philosophy on martial arts is so true. He said that a martial artist should be shapeless like water, which means that no martial art Asian, Brazilian, European, etc... is the greatest. If you actually sit down and analyze different styles of martial arts, you would see that all styles of the martial arts are the exact same! Kung Fu, Karate, TKD, Judo, and such all have the same roots and implement the same philosophy. Their is no best martial art, only the artist who can adapt and implement moves that best fits the situation. Take Mixed Martial Artists for example, they can win fights not only by knockouts, but by submissions and other ways as well. Martial Arts are all equally the same. (thats why Bruce Lee wore the yellow biker suit in the Game of Death to symbolize that he represents no style, but fights with every).
BTW, Jet Li is a renowned Wushu martial artist, not a fighter.
2007-06-25 21:37:28
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answered by will c 2
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asian arts aren't all they're cracked up to be. Boxing's cross is the most powerful punch in martial arts, and wrestling skills have proven to be more important than any other in mma (takedowns and defending them) not to metion the best mma fighters come from wrestling backrounds. There is a guy named karl gotch, an american, with no training in asian martial arts who went to japan and beat everyone. the japanese now call him 'the god of wrestling'. the eastern arts have a lot of fancy stuff that is impractical in any real fight situation and can distract the fighter. western arts are simple and practical and they are based on live training unlike all the asian arts but judo to my knowledge. and training just thru kata has shown to be nowhere near as effective.
2007-06-26 07:13:45
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answered by Da Funk 5
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I wouldn't have found a need to post an answer since most of the people who posted answers like will c and JAS have it right. But I couldn't help but beg to differ with splitflex on his example in Karate. Though I have great respect for the "Superfoot" Bill Wallace especially despite his handicap(he couldn't raise his right leg or kick with it due to a ligament injury early in his career and could only kick with his left) and consider him a great martial artist, I believe that the title "greatest american karateka" would have to be given to Benny "The Jet" Urquidez. His full contact record of 58-0 alone and the last one fought at age 40 before retiring undefeated is no mean feat.
2007-06-26 00:48:23
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answered by Shienaran 7
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I think you underestimate traditional pugilism and wrestling. It's become a sport for the young in the past century, but in years past people would go to boxing clubs to learn self-defense, and reading Jack Dempsey's book, it wasn't just punching, but also grappling. It was a full martial art for anyone who came into the club, not just those who wanted to train to become pro-boxers. These traditional big punchers did very well against the Asian martial artists in their day.
also... remember that was notable about Master Motobu defeating "George" the boxer was that he did it after George had already made easy work of the top Judo guys in Tokyo.
2007-06-26 01:21:11
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answered by Anonymous
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Any person who has mastered Shaolin can rip a westerner to pieces maybe even a 15 year old, these guys dedicate their whole lives to Martial Arts, they spend about 90% of their day training every single day of their lives even children do. Also a person who has studied Muay Boran (brutal version of muay thai) could also rip a westerner because Muay Boran is used in war, it is made for killing a person, its what Tony Jaa does, if you don't think its that good well check it up on youtube, all the video's are demonstrations they are too brutal to be used on a person.
P.S splitflex_superfoot is stupid at the end he's talking about Holland's fighters but guess what he says their styles are shootboxing (japan) and muay thai (Thailand) and they are both asian. Not to forget were not only focusing on the ring were focusing on the street too.
2007-06-25 22:25:51
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answered by Anonymous
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If you take a practitioner of equal skill and physical capability trained in each martial art, I'll put my money on the SYSTEMA fighter. Hands down. Unlike most other martial arts, it's not artistic. It's not for defense (although it can be used for this purpose). It's sole purpose is to maim or kill somebody with your bare hands. The Russian Speznaz used prison inmates who were good street fighters as "sparring partners" and would regularly break bones or kill them while practicing.
2007-06-25 23:03:24
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answered by The Walking Dead 3
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You are young, aren't you?
Its not the art that is the best, it is the skill of the person using that art.
Tei qun do? you mean Tae Kwon Do? And its Ong Bak. and the actual actor's name is Tony Jaa. he's Muay Thai.
2007-06-26 06:11:16
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answered by Humanist 4
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