With all the everyone saying all dogs need to be spayed and neutered where will we get dogs in 15 years?

Question

For all of those that think mandatory spay and neuter laws should be put into effect like the one in California, where do you suppose we will get dogs from? Considering that puppymills and commercial breeders move dogs at a much higher rate then the enthusiast that breed for the betterment and love of the breed, I guess that is where all future dogs will come from. What do you think??

Just because the government could implement a mandatory spay and neuter law does not mean the animals that are in shelters will get a home. A lot of the animals that are in shelters are there for behavioral problems. Also, what will stop people from adopting and dumping the animals back in the shelters once they realize the work and commitment a dog presents?

Is anyone familiar with what they are proposing and that has passed in California? If not have a look.
http://petpac.net/

Answer 1

The problem of pet abandonment is rooted in irresponsible pet ownership. Mandatory sterilization does nothing to correct the problem of irresponsible pet owners abandoning their dogs.

Making intact animals unlawful to own will slow down indiscriminate breeding about as effectively as the practice of making cocaine unlawful to posses has slowed down the use of illegal drugs in the inner cities.

By the way, the California bill does absolutely nothing to stop the licensed puppy mills! They get an exemption. So if you think that the bill puts an end to the many problems associated with puppy-mill pups ... think again; it actually sures their future.

Do none of you people know the story of the Trojan horse? Believe it or not, there's more to it than being a logo on a condom wrapper.

Answer 2

Good question, I think that if a dog is not registered with a Kennel Club, that is not fake, it should not be bred. Having a registered dog means that the owner most likely got the dog from a reputable breeder, but this is not always true, there are unregistered dogs that come from great breeders. But the registered dog maybe in good health, temperament, and stable because the breeder takes into consideration the well being of the dog, and doesn't just pick any Dame or Sire to stick with their dog.
The dog will most likely go to a good, caring and supportive home, because registered dogs are cared for more than someone just breeding for the money.
I love my dogs, and the breed, but I would never breed them, because they do not have papers and I don't know full well they're entire background, so I spay and nueter for the better of their health, and for the better of the breed, there are two many Pit-bulls in shelters, and it's because of irresponsible breeders, and irresponsible people.

Answer 3

I think the law has good intention, just needs to work on the details and the loop-holes because obviously the last thing we want is to encourage puppy-mills of any kind.
High kudos to you for thinking of the future, it may help enact better policies if people like you set up and get our legislators thinking about more details of the laws/bill they propose.
I find it discouraging that so many breeders that I have come across lately end up being so much like puppy-mills focusing on the greed and money-making portion of breeding. I work with a small group of pug people and even though I am not a breeder and never will be, I direct a lot of our members to breeders, and what a shock to find so many poor breeders with wrong intentions or lackadaisical attitudes. My goal is to encourage good breeding and good breeding habits for the betterment of the dogs themselves and for the entire breed. It is unbelievable tough to realize how many people are truly motivated by the money and not the good of the breed, even professional people that the money shouldn't be an issue, and yet they have no desire to be a good breeder and ignorantly go into breeding by mistake or experimentation.
I research all I can and read as much as I can out of the love for our animals, and I hope that is the type of person that will continue pursuing breeding making sure the breeds stay as pure and as true to the standard as possible with attention set objectively on each animal's individual faults and steering away from breeding ailments and over-breeding.

Answer 4

Although I do believe in spaying and neutering I disagree with the California idea.

First-4 months is much to young to do spaying and neutering. The larger breeds are not sexually mature at this young age. The females aren't usually spayed until the age of 6 mos.
Male cats are usually neutered at between 6-9 months according to how the develop. Way to young!

Second-I don't think the State should tell anyone they MUST spay/neuter or they cannot have the pet. This is way too much control of our private lives. What will be next.

Third-This may sound good in theory, but it is not practical. How many millions of people and millions of pets are they going to keep tabs on. And how much will this cost. They are wanting to save money, euth. is to costly, this will be even more expensive.

Get real for pete's sake. Where I live they can't even keep track of the dog license we buy each year. How on earth would they be able to do this. This is malarkey!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 5

1st, most animals in shelters are not there because of behavioral issues!! There MAY have been a single behavior issue the owner did not want to address (i.e., barking), however, many are strays, lost/found, owner moving, death of owner, etc. The statement makes it sound as if shelter animals are dumped because they can't be controlled or 'fixed'. Ok, here's my 2 cents. As others have said, there are health reasons to spay or neuter your pet, so if you have no intention to RESPONSIBLY breed your animal, having them altered will help extend their life.

This is not to say the only people who should breed are pure breed dogs and cats, since genetically the 'mutts' of the world have fewer genetic issues (taking the best of the breed, survival of the fittest). Responsible breeding means that you plan the litter, possibly even having good / approved owners lined up waiting for the litter, weaning the litter properly, and having the off spring altered before going to their new home.

In Texas there is a law that states all animals coming from a shelter environment must be spayed or neutered prior to going to their new home. For every cat we spay, we take in on average 4 unaltered cats. I doubt there will ever be a day that comes that the only animals that are breeding will be purebred select few and the animal population is controlled because of spay and neuter laws. Unless a devistating illness or infection causes world wide reproduction problems in the animal population, there will always be a pool of animals to choose from, the law simply is trying to reduce unwanted litters.

Answer 6

Well all dogs don't need to be spayed or neutered just the mutts strays and dogs that are not from reputable breeders.(or bred for show)
There should however be a limit to ALL breeding whatever it takes (special laws and such).
We do have a hugh problem in this country when tons of good and loving dogs have to be put down because of our selfishness.
I hate to think of what could happen in 15 yrs. . I'm not a breeder and do believe most all should be fixed but that is not the way!

Thats what I think!

Answer 7

You really should calm down about this. I live in Tulsa, OK, and it is the law to spay and or neuter your pets in city limits, however, there are certain people that can get what they call a habiest license. These are allowed for breeders and rescue workers. Now personally, the law on that needs to be a little more strict because all you have to do to get a hobiest license is to pay the city $35. I think that in order to get one, they need to be part of a parent club, for example, I use to work with German Shepherd Rescue of Tulsa, OK. In order for anyone in our rescue group to get a hobiest license that would stickly only allow us to have more than 4 dogs at our house, we should have to have signed and noterized documentation from the President and Vice president of the rescue group, along with proof that we are part of the German Shepherd Rescue of North America, a certified letter of inspection from the local SPCA investigator that we have enough room for the dogs and the recommended maximum number of dogs, certified letter from a vet, and a certified letter from the parent club, in this case, German Shepherd CLub of Greater Tulsa, OK and finally, proof of 501 c 3 forms, which is a government reconnetion of rescue groups. For a breeder to be allowed to breed, they should have pretty much the same information with the exception of the 501 c 3 as that also states that you are running a none profit orginization. There are ways to get things done correctly. Even if this bill passes in California it is not likely that law enforment will actually enforce it. IF they do, then that means they have way to much time on their hands.

Answer 8

I am familiar with what they are proposing.. I get a news letter by e-mail anytime something comes up that I, as a dog owner, need to know about. I am all for the spaying and neutering of dogs, I am all for adopting from shelters and I am very against backyard breeders, but I do not think that it should be mandatory to spay and neuter your pets. It is scary to me that anyone is even for that! Where would we be years down the road?? How many dogs would even be left?? To me it seems like people are trying to just kill off dogs! It went from banning 3 breeds to banning 100+ breeds and now we are at mandatory spaying and neutering.. what the hell is going to happen next?! It definitely seems like alot of people don't want dogs around period! Now, don't get me wrong.. Like I said, I HATE backyard breeders, but I don't want to kill off mans best friend either.. you know? I think that instead of mandatory spaying and neutering we should have a way for certain breeders to be allowed to breed. As much as I hate it, ALOT of people get their dogs from pet stores and breeders. I don't have a problem with breeders that are breeding to better or at least maintain the breed.. I do have a problem with careless breeders that just breed whatever two dogs to make a quick buck. I am 100% against the mandatory spaying and neutering of dogs, I think that more people should spay and neuter, but I don't think we should HAVE to. We need to do whatever we have to do to stop careless breeding and backyard breeding, not make it mandatory to spay and neuter! Again, just like with the BSL bull s***, people want to take the quick easy way out instead of fixing the problem! Lets just slap a wet band-aid on it and forget about it.. right?? This is sad, and if something doesn't give we (Those of us that have a heart) will be regretting this years down the road! I don't understand how people can be sooo worried about saving endangered animals like wolves, sharks and bears, but at the same time we are in the process of endangering dogs!.. Mans best friend, loved family members and companions! It really is sad and it makes me ashamed to even be a human.

Answer 9

Idk I'm kinda on the fence about this. I understand what you are saying about where will the dogs be but at the same time there are MILLIONS of dogs in the United States who are just sitting in animals shelters waiting for a home. Dogs are getting put down everyday because there just isn't "enough room" or they just haven't been adopted in time. And when the dogs who haven't been spayed have puppies what will happen to them if no body wants them? They'll get put right into a shelter. I know that the puppies are just so cute and you just want to take all of them home you have to remember about the shelther dogs. They are very good dogs who deserve to have a good home.

Answer 10

Honeybelle is right - to blame vendors which could have intact adult males/women and not get them bred are positive. the concern, although, is that maximum folk drawing near here asking the comparable rattling question that's been asked 1000's of situations until eventually now are no longer to blame and don't could have entire canines and b*tches of their care. i'm going to continuously speuter my animals. Why? because of the fact i do no longer want to reproduce them, i do no longer want the mess that incorporates estrus and that i do no longer want to maintain an eagle eye on my canines so they do no longer breed. human beings like Honeybelle are the exception, no longer the guideline, whilst it includes intact animals. quite whilst it includes the lack of awareness that spews out from each and every nook in this area. I attempt to no longer castrate human beings for no longer getting this technique accomplished whilst they arrive at here. besides the indisputable fact that, whilst that's crystal sparkling that this individual would not supply a rat's in the back of approximately their canines or in simple terms needs some further money or has NO EARTHLY thought what they could do, i'm going to tell them to restoration their animal, whether it potential aborting unborn domestic canines. those varieties of human beings have not got any enterprise bringing extra canines into this worldwide and that i'm no longer able to take a seat quietly and not prepare them on WHY they shouldn't. And regrettably, the those that come to Y!A (of all places!) to ask questions approximately breeding ARE the guideline, no longer the exception. I artwork with rescues and the stuff you're able to see is somewhat heartwrenching. because of the fact of this i'm a extensive propose for speutering. There are much extra irresponsible, unscrupulous breeders available than to blame ones.