isn't these verses from the Bible prove that God and Jesus are two different thing?

Question

isn't this evidence that God and Jesus are two different things?

Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:54

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:29

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
John 7:16

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

and after all this, catholic insists that Jesus is God ignoring all the evidence that proves not. but follow the words of John instead?

Answer 1

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The same was in the beginning with God.

All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. "
John 1:1-3

Utterly beautiful!
In one short verse John both distinguishes Jesus (the Word) from the Father and yet declares His divinity.

Actually the word "with" is a very weak rendering of the Greek word, and this clause might well be rendered "And the Word was in a continued state of intimate communion with (the) God". "The God" in the Greek distinguishes the Father from the Word.
"Was God", in speaking of the Word, might be rendered "and the Word was, as to his essential nature, divine." This is clear from the anarthrous use of the word.
If there were any doubt of this, the next two verses go on to set forth the Word as being the pre-existent Agent of creation.

Answer 2

One would think that atleast the Christians would get the basics right before some know-it-all told them how to read what jesus said. Therefore, the way you read it is exactly the way YOU read it, yet the quotes above still look perfectly fine to the Christian!


I have never heard anyone tell Buddhists or Hindus or Muslims or JWs or Mormons that they didn't hear their own prophets right. That apparently is reserved for "dumb" Christians since Islam, JW, Mormons depend on the same (Jesus Christ) persons for background but extremely different renditions (obviously) to differentiate not only from the Christians but also from each other ! So I would go with the ones who followed Christ than the ones who came up with different versions later.



Jesus the Word of God is still God, the second person in the Godhead (this no-one mortal can prove or disprove) and regenerates the dead like no mortal man ever did.

Even the mystery of how Jesus could be fully man and fully God cannot be explained, proved or disproved by mere mortals. The end of the mystery is reserved for the end of times when the secret of God will be revealed.

Answer 3

this is the secret of the trinity. One God in 3 separate persons. how are you able to reconcile those verses? John 10:30, “I and the daddy are one.” John a million:a million says that “the be conscious grow to be God.” John a million:14 says that “the be conscious became flesh.” This of course shows that Jesus is God interior the flesh. The Apostle Paul describes Him as, “…our super God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). In reaction, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:fifty 9). Jesus asserting His id as “i'm” is an instantaneous application of the old testomony call for God (Exodus 3:14).

Answer 4

You can't just pick and choose verses. I know you've heard of the Trinity. The verses you are referring to are showing the distinct persons of the Trinity: The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is not just for Catholics... It is an essential doctrine of the Christian faith (for Protestants too)

The Bible speaks of them as all being God. God in 3 persons... yes, it is a mystery, but it is clearly supported by Scriptures.

"I and my Father are one". John 10:30

Also "Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?" John 14:10

In this verse, The phrase "in the name" (eis to onoma) affirms alike the Godhead of the Persons and their unity of nature.

"go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:18).

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2Corinthians 13:14)."

Answer 5

The Bible declares that Jesus Christ is both God and Man.

Wether you understand this or not, is not going to change that basic fact.

But your salvation depends on it.

Jesus said, "Unless you believe that I AM you WILL die in your sins." (John 8:24 Caps Mine)

With this one statement Jesus declared exactly who He was, and what the consequences were in not believing it.

And if you think that "I AM" does not mean a declaration of His complete Divinity, then you dont know very much about the language or the cultural setting in which it was uttered.

Even His enemies knew EXACTLY what He meant. They knew that He was declaring Himself to be the same person who spoke with Moses at the Burning Bush.

They had a choice: Either believe Him, and fall down at His feet and worship Him, or stone Him for blaspehemy. They chose the latter.
In fact, they were much more honest that YOU are. At least THEY did not pretend to misunderstand what He meant. You do.
Many, many times in His ministy, He would preface statements with the "I AM". Such as," I AM the Door", or "I AM the Living Water". THIS time He didnt, because He wanted to be sure to be completely understood.

..."whoever has seen me HAS seen the Father" (John 14:9 Caps Mine)

Since Jesus is NOT the Father; What He is saying is;

'Whoever has seen ME has seen GOD'

So, you better hope that you have not hardened your heart past the point of no return. Because if you persist in dishonering Him, and Insulting Him, then you ARE going to die in the sin of unbelief.
You have no Savior. You will have to pay for your own sins.

And THAT was His point.


....theBerean

Answer 6

Jesus Christ is NOT both God and Man. The bible states he was like Adam, a perfect non-spirit human being.

Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus Christ taste death for every man because that was he was, a man.

My parents and I are both Human, but becase they created me I am not the same human as them. Just as Jesus and his father are god, but since Jesus was created he is not the same god as his father. - Col 1:15

Answer 7

Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
7but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
PHIL 2:6-11

AND JN 1:1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

AND: JN 10:30

I and the Father are one

Answer 8

I follow the original church's teachings from the ancient and original church. We believe that God the Father, Jesus and the holy spirit to be separate beings. God the Father is just that the Father, the director and leader of all creation. Jesus Christ is the first Spiritually born son and the Only Begotten son of God (physically born of a virgin). Before we gained or bodies we were born of God the Father in spirit. In spirit form we were taught that we needed to grow into our inheritances. God the Father created a plan by which we could perfect knowledge. This plan included free will in order for us to learn from our mistakes and grow spiritually and physically. The process is to go from being spirits, to gaining a physical body then to die physically then resurrected into perfect or enlightened bodies. The Plan would not work with perfect knowledge of the plan so when we are born a "veil" covers our spiritual eyes so we have to learn through the use of free will. Lucifer (the second spiritually born of God the Father) wanted to administer the plan in his own way (without free will) and have the glory of success to be his. His plan would not allow for free will. He drummed up support for his position to the number of 1/3 of the heavenly host. When they refused to obey they were forcefully cast out (cast out from the presence of Heavenly Father) and not allowed to participate in His plan. Jesus was chosen to follow Gods orders to administer the Plan. This included creating the universe first in spiritual matter than building on that frame work; the material world. God being omnipotent knew that Christ would be needed in a sacrifice in order to save his children from suffering eternally from disobedience, so all sacrifices from Adam and Eve to Christ's time were in similitude of Christ's sacrifice for mankind. The Holy spirit is a testifier of Gods will and helps us to confirm that our actions (choices) are in accordance with Gods will the Holy ghost will be the last one to gain a physical body.

The Apostasy occurs when there is no physical person to properly provide Divine guidance to mankind. The person chosen is called a Prophet. Some commonly known examples would be Adam, Moses, Noah and Jesus Christ.

After the the last Apostle died the church fell into Apostasy The church leaders went in different directions and became unsure of what was correct. the result of this was infighting even to the death. The Council Of Nicene was held to hash out the problems and bring peace. One of the decisions made at the council was that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are one entity. This was decided even with scriptural evidence to the contrary.

Answer 9

No God and Jesus are not two different people. It takes a long time to understand the concept of the trinity.

Answer 10

Jesus is the son of God. He was born as a human and then went to die on the cross for us but the trinity shows that they are all one. God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit!!