Muslims, Did Muhammad follow the word of God before he recieved revelation?

Question

If Muhammd followed scripture from the existing scripture was that scripture corrupt? If Muhammad did not follow the word of God before the Qu'ran could Muhammad really have been following God before he spoke to Gabriel? If Muhamamd was in agreement with God's word then why is he saying Christ did not atone for sin? If Muhammad did not follow the word of God before Gabriel then could Muhammad be a prophet of God and not be in agreement with God's word? Moses said he could not. Doesn't Muhammad say he agrees with the prophets isnt this a requirement? If Muhamamd agrees with the prophets doesnt he agree that he can not be a prophet of God?

It is the reason Christ is called the word of God, It is the reason the Qu'ran agrees that Christ was perfect. If the word was corrupt you have no prophets and you have no salvation. God said a prophet must agree with God's word therfore his word can not be corrupt or you have no prophet..and no hope and no salvation.

Halo..If that be true then who is your prophet? Moses said a prophet must be in agreement with God's word and you are saying there was no available word of God for Muhammad to agree with?

halo if that is true why does the qu'ran refer to the people of the book and tell youn to say to ehne we agree with the revealtionhanded down to you? Where is this revelation that you are suposed to agree with? If there is no available uncorrupt revelation how is it you are suposed to agree with it? how did Muhammad agree with it?

halo did or did not the Qu'ran tell you to say to the people of the book "we agree with the revelation handed down to you our God is your God?" who are these people and are you agreeing with them? If Allah is all knowing then surely there is a book that was before the Qu'ran that you should be in agreement with and those people are available for you to agree with...the real question is Did Muhamamd follow any written word of God before he spoke with Gabriel? Because if he didnt agree wiht the word of God nor the prophets of God then he could not be a prophet of God and if he did agree with the written word of God then he must surely agree with the atonement.

muhammad you ahve shown that the Qu'ran is not inagreement wiht the word of God before Muhammad and have shown that the Qu'ran is not in agreement wiht the prophets of God and you give your reasons as it is written in the Qu'ran...Now I ask you If the previous word of god that /allah claims ot be says a prophet must agree wiht god's word and his prophets and Muhammd did not then can Muhammad be a prophet of God and can Allah be the God that was before Muhammad as he says he is? According to the Qu'ran it is in agreement with the previous word of God and the prophets of God...and you too are told to agree with this revelation. why isnthere no previous book or word from God that you can agree with? The Quran says Allah is the author of the Bible and his word can not be changed. The book does not exist that youa re told to agree with? There is no scripture that is from Allah that is not corrupt but you are suposed to agree with something...How does Allah not know this?

airaizex How can you not care? Alah says he is the God that was before Muhammmad...If Allah is only after Muhammad then he can not be the creator of the world. If Allah is the God of Abraham as he says he would have to agree with himself...again how can you not care?

Injeel and Gospel and Psalms and Torah..I completely understand if you do not undertand this is the Bible. Where in the heck do your prophets come from?
the Bible is the word of God that book that Muhammad refers to.

halo what book and what people of the book are you to agree wiht the revelaion? what book refers to Abrham and Moses and John the Baptist that Muhammad refers to as prophets of God? Where is the book that Allah wrote before the Quran? If hter is such a book that you agree wiht please share it wiht us your Alalh says he is the author of the book and refers to people of the the book he refers ot Moses and the prophets which book to you supose it is that he is in agreement with? I will be happy wiht any book written before Muhmmad by your god that refers to all of these prophets of God including Jesus that you think your god is refering to that is not corru[pt and teahes allahs truth and that you and your Qu'ran say you agree wiht it's revealtion ...Where is the book and these people of the book that Allah refers to as his word before the Qu'ran?

I must admit i found the truth and am not searching for the truth as the truth had to of existed before Muhammad as humans did exist wiht the word of God and his truth for thousands of years prior to Muhammad...even Muhamamd does agree the Qu'ran says so how would God be created thousands of years after his creation?

Is this the best answers Muslims can give me as to whetehr or not Muhammd followed the word of God before the Qu'ran? i can assure you that all of the true prophets of God did follow the word of god all the way before Moses and there was no written word of god prior to Moses but Abrham did speak to god and all of the true prophets of God did agree and did agree with Gods word...Now why is this so hard to say Muhammad did agree with the word of God that was before him? Could this simple question not be answered because this one does not agree with God's word yet calls himself a prophet of God?

Answer 1

Simple; the bible is not god's word. It was created by Paul not Jesus.
Muhammad was appointed a prophet at the age of forty. Prior to this he had lived his life as a trustworthy, truthful, just, kind person in his Quraish tribe. Never steal, lie or hurt people physically or emotionally. He was even given the name 'Al-Amin' which mean the truthful or trusted one.
He could never write or read till his death.

Therefore he could not have known with intricate details of all the prophets before him. It was revelaed to him through the Quran by the way of angel Gabriel. Thru this he knew that Jesus was given the book "Injeel"(not the bible by Paul). He and all muslims are obligated to belief in this book, but none was preserved. God has promised to preserve the "al-Quran' through the verse "Nay this is a Glorious Qur'an, (21) (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved! (22) -(Quran 85: 21,22.

"People of the book" refer to those who believe in "Injeel-Jesus", "the original Taurah- Moses", " Zabur -David" and other books and scriptures given to prophets before him. The Quran encompass all these books and supersedes any commandments given before this.

In the Quran 3:84 Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma`il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the Prophets, from their Lord; we make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (84)

As already mentioned above, muslims do not believe in the bible as god's word. You are referring to the bible and your understanding of the atonement to what have been taught to you. If there was atonement of sins thru Jesus, it would have been revealed to Muhammad by God. In this case there was none.
In furtherence to the above muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified as the following verse in the Quran dicatates:
Quran 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";― but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.― (157)

CORRECTION : NOWHERE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN THAT ALLAH IS THE AUTHOR OF THE BIBLE. IT WAS AUTHORED BY PAUL HUNDREDS OF YEARS AFTER THE PASSING OF JESUS.

You are so confident that Muhammad refers to the bible. Please show us the proof. In which verse of the Quran or Hadith that states so. Your own Christian scholars are disputing the truthfulness of the bible and you expect Muslims to believe it. There are no Islamic Scholars that have ever disputed the truth of the Quran.
You are not interested to finding the truth thereby
I REST MY CASE.

Answer 2

Mohammed, pbuh, was a monotheist, not a Jew or a Christian, but a believer in one God. There were a small number of monotheists in Makkah at the time, including also Khadija, who become the wife of the Prophet. I don't know that any uncorrupted written scripture has been preserved to this day from so long ago. Can you answer what written scripture did Abraham, pbuh, follow? What do you mean about a book which refers to prophets but does not teach atonement? Muslims are taught to sincerely repent for their sins, but are taught that Allah does not prefer blood sacrifices. Sincere repentance comes from within and manifests itself in a change of behavior. "People of the Book" refers to the people who follow the Torah and the Evangel. There is only one God.

Answer 3

Whatever. I dont mind that as long as whatever that he preached is all good for humanity, as with other prophets like Jesus, Moses. But before u shout ur head off about all these terrorism, I have to say that for all I know, it goes against the Islamic teaching. But some muslims do claim that they r doing the right thing. (sigh) I dont know, for me it is the job for the muslims to live up to whatever that they claim they r. But honestly speaking, I do see otherwise.

Answer 4

Surely, the case of Jesus with Allah is like the case of Adam. He created him out of dust, then he said to him, "Be', and he was.

Holy Quran

First of all, it contradicts the saying of St. John referred to earlier. Secondly, it destroys all the edifice built so far, because nobody - right from Adam to the Last Day - would enter the sanctuary of safety and deliverance except a very small group, that is, those who believe in Christ and the Holy Ghost; and not even all the Christians but only a certain group among all those widely differing denominations - all other denominations would be thrown into eternal perdition. I wish I knew what would happen to the honored prophets (who came) before Christ, and to the believers of their ummah! What would be the status of their mission, of the books they brought and of the wisdom they taught? Was it true? Or just a lie? The Gospels verify the Torah and its mission, and there is no mention at all of the Ghost and the atonement in the Torah. Does the Gospel verify a true book? Or does it verify a pack of lies?

Let us look at the story of atonement. What is atonement or ransom? A man - or a thing related to him - is involved in some crimes or sin, as a result of which he faces the possibilities of harm or destruction of life or valuable property; and therefore he offers something less important in order to save his life or the more valuable property. A man taken prisoner redeems himself with offer of some money; crimes are redeemed with money paid as fine. The thing given for this purpose is called ransom, fine or redemption. Atonement, in short, is a deal, which transfers the right of the claimant from the person so redeemed to the thing given in ransom or redemption - and thus the redeemed one is saved from captivity or from the evil consequences of the crime he had committed.

This description shows that atonement and redemption is simply unimaginable in the matters related to Allah. The Divine Authority - unlike human authority, which is merely an abstracted idea, a subjective consideration - is the real authority, which cannot be changed or transferred. Things, in their species and with their effects, actions and reactions, have been created by Allah and continue to exist because of Him. It is a reality, a fact; and reality and fact cannot change into non-reality, non-fact. Such a proposition cannot be imagined - let alone its ever coming into being. Allah's ownership, authority and rights are not like those of us human beings. We are bound with social norms and laws. Our social rights, authority and ownership are merely subjective considerations, abstracted ideas based on our imaginations; their status and worth is in our own hands; we may establish a right today and abolish it tomorrow - as our interest and outlook change concerning our life and livelihood. For details see Commentaries of the verses 1: 4 (the Master of the Day of Judgment)*, and 3:26 (Say:'O Allah, Master of the Kingdom...')*****.

Allah has specifically refuted the idea of atonement in the following verse: So today ransom shall not be accepted from you nor from those who disbelieved; your abode is the fire (57:15). And as explained earlier, the same is the import of the words of the Messiah quoted by Allah in the Qur'an: And when Allah will say: "O 'Isa son of Maryam! did you say to men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah' ", he will say: "Glory be to Thee, it did not befit me that I should say what I had no right to (say); ... I did not say to them save that what Thou didst enjoin me with: 'That worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord', and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them, but when Thou didst take me (away) completely, Thou wert the watcher over them, and Thou art witness of all things. If Thou shouldst chastise them, then surely they are The servants; and if Thou shouldst forgive them, then surely Thou art the Mighty, the Wise" (5:116-118). His words: "and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them. . . ", have the following import: 'I had nothing to do with them except what Thou hadst entrusted me to do, that is, conveying Thy message to them and being a witness over them - as long as I was among them; whether Thou shouldst chastise them or shouldst forgive them, entirely depends on Thy discretion; I have nothing to do with it. I do not have any authority on Thy will, with which I could save them from Thy chastisement or sentence them to punishment.'

It clearly refutes the idea of ransom and atonement. Had there been any ransoming or redeeming, it would have been wrong for him to wash his hands of the fate of his ummah, telling Allah that it was His (Allah's) discretion whether to punish them or forgive them, and that he ('Isa - a. s.) had nothing to do with it.

Of similar connotation are the following verses:

And be on your guard against the Day when one soul shall not avail another in the least, neither shall intercession on its behalf be accepted, nor shall any compensation be taken from it, nor shall they be helped (2:48).

... before the day comes in which there is no bargaining, neither any friendship nor intercession . . . (2: 254).

The day on which you will turn back retreating; there shall be no savior for you from Allah . . . (40:33).

Obviously, the "compensation" (in the first verse), the "bargaining" (of the second) and the "savior" (of the third) all apply to the idea of atonement and redemption; the verses in refuting these things refute the belief of atonement.

Of course, the Qur'an accepts the Messiah as one of the intercessors - but not as an atonement. We have explained about "Intercession" under the verse 2:48 (And be on your guard against the day when one soul shall not avail another . . . ) ******. We have explained there that intercession shows the nearness of the intercessor and his good standing with the master, without there being any transfer of authority from the master to the intercessors; without affecting in any way the ownership or power of the master; without nullifying or abrogating the, master's commandment which the sinner had disobeyed; and without negating the system of recompense, reward and punishment. Intercession is but a sort of prayer and request by the intercessor that the master - in this case, the Lord - should manage the affairs of His creature with mercy. The intercessor accepts the Master's right to punish the sinner (because he had sinned and the law of recompense makes him liable to punishment), but asks the Master to exercise His power of forgiveness - because He has the right to forgive as He has the right to punish.

The intercessor thus requests the Master to exercise His right of pardon and forgiveness, when the sinner has become liable for punishment, without in any way affecting the Master's ownership or authority. But atonement is something else; it is a deal, a bargain, which transfers the Master's authority from the sinner to the ransom given in his place, and removes the sinner from the Master's power as soon as the Master accepts the ransom in his place.

That the Messiah is an intercessor is proved by the following verse: And those whom they call upon besides Him have no authority for intercession, but he who bears witness of the truth and they know (43: 86). It clearly says that the people excepted would have the authority to intercede. 'Isa (a.s.) is among those whom they call besides Allah. But he has the authority of intercession because he is included in the exception: Allah confirms in the Qur'an that He had taught him ('Isa) the Book and the Wisdom, and that he ('Isa) shall be among the witnesses on the Day of Judgment. Allah says: And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom (3:48), and (quotes him as saying: and I was a witness of them so long as I was among them (5:117). He also says-. and on the Day of' Resurrection he shall be a witness against them (4:159).

All these verses read together prove that 'Isa (a.s.) is one of the intercessors. We have described it in detail under the following verse - ..And be on your guard against the day when one soul shall not a ail another in the least ... (2:48).