Is it possible to support the creation of Israel if you are an athiest?

Question

I am anti-Israel (note: not anti-Jewish, well not anymore anti-Jewish than I am anti-Christian, anti-Muslim, anti-Hindu, or anti-*insert any other religion or faith here*). I do not believe that any country should exist on the sole basis of religion (meaning I am just as much agains Islamic republics). Of course then people will argue that Judaism isn't just a religion, it's an ethnicity. Well I dismiss that argument on the base of false premise. They're supposedly an ethnicity because they're decendents of Abraham's tribe. Unfortunately the figure and story of Abraham comes from the bible (or tora), a wonderful work of fiction. Since we cannot take the bible as historical fact, there's no proof for Abraham's existence. There ya go: false premise. No, they're not an ethnicity, they're just a religion, and as such I will argue against them just as I argue against any other direction of faith.
The world would be more peaceful if there wasn't Islamic,Jewish or Christian states.

Answer 1

I'm not an atheist (Deist), and I do not support the creation of Israel. I don't care what the Bible says; the Jews willingly left the area after the Romans destroyed the Temple. It wouldn't be any different than me selling my house and leaving it to someone in my will.

Answer 2

This is almost funny, ha-ha! Just like the guy with the PhD in history telling me about my ancestors!
It doesn't matter if you believe that the Jews are just a religion or an ethnicity. That has never been the deciding factor on whether a nation is a nation or not.
There IS ACTUAL HISTORICAL EVIDENCE OF ABRAHAM's existence. They have excavated houses that they think were like the one Abraham lived in...BEFORE he "sojourned" to the "Promised Land".
The Israelis have a right to their own nation just as well as the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Russians or whomever.
You say you are against religions: I truly believe you have a religion, whether you consider yourself to be an Agnostic, an Atheist, a Communist, or a Liberal (or some other).
Israel became a State (we say "country" in the U.S.) in 1948. So, what is your question? Do you mean, "Should we continue to support Israel because they are Jewish?" They also have Muslims and Christians, Agnostics and Atheists...
I would suggest (as I did to the PhD in history) that you read some GOOD history books (you won't find any in schools or colleges) as well as books in philosophy. You should also read the Bible, the Koran and all the other books on Taoism, Buddaism, Shintoism and all the rest. You will find that, no matter what people claim about "their" religion, they really don't practice it.

Answer 3

That's an interesting question, I never thought of it from that angle.

I can understand where you're coming from with regard to creating a nation based on a given religion. But with Israel, there were other strong motivating factors besides creating a theocratic nation. There is a long history of persecution of the Jews and anti-semitism runs deep in many nations. It's not that they have set themselves aside, as a Islamic fundamentalist country might be thought of as doing, but that the global society has refused to accept them. Israel was formed in 1948, after the Holocaust. The creation of Israel was based primarily on human rights and dignity, not on religion.

The resulting Palestinian mess is it's own enormously complex problem.

Answer 4

Israel was created largely as a result of the Holocaust. Thus, it was created not because of religious reasons - it was created for political reasons. I can see how you would think that no religious states should be allowed. I've often wondered why they don't pass some kind of ordinance in Israel that whoever PAYS for the land owns it. We have that here in the USA, and denying someone access in that manner or for that reason is ILLEGAL. The so-called "Holy Land" doesn't really belong to any one religion - it should be shared by all of them, as that would make a lot more sense.

Answer 5

Yes, it is possible to support the creation of Israel, not all people who are considered Jewish are actually practicing Jews. Some are agnostic or atheist. Some are even christian. As for me, I'm not a proponent of carving a piece out of someone elses country to establish a nation for the people you unjustly persecuted in YOUR country. I say, if you want to give someone some land because you did them wrong, give them a piece of YOUR land, that way your neighbor doesn't complain about these new people camping out in their back yards and start shooting at them for trespassing.

Answer 6

yes you can support Isreal if you are an athiest. Going on the point that Judaism is an ethnicity because they are part of abrahams tribe would mean, from what i know, that Islamic people would be an ethnicity because they are followers of Muhammed's tribe

Answer 7

I think you may be a little mistaken. The word "Jew" comes from the word "Judah" or, more appropriately, the land of Judea. People from Judea were referred to as, "Jews". The term was eventually applied in a more broader sense to Hebrews from the Middle East by their Roman occupiers. Not all Hebrews were from Judea...some were from Galilee, etc. So, your premise is incorrect and consequently your whole argument is false.

Answer 8

i do no longer know how interior the worldwide to restoration that concern. The land could by no potential have been taken from every physique to offer to every physique else, yet now this is in simple terms time to end the conflict. besides the indisputable fact that it seems, it is going to likely be one tousled concern.

Answer 9

Good answer by Confirmed Atheist!

I already gave my opinion on this same question yesterday.

Answer 10

Well, if you were a Palestinian Christian who were placed in a concentration-camp by the British.