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2007-06-24 10:55:12 · 24 answers · asked by Who's got my back? 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Ideas are eternal and from personal intelligence so they must come from an eternal personal intelligence(God) and we are creatures that perceive them.
Absolutes exist, to say they don't creates one. So objective truth is plausible and a basis for right and wrong is possible if a eternal personal intelligence exists.

Intelligent designer and maker because life support systems that create life cannot just happen a maker is the most logical inference.

Most of your arguments are not rooted in logical premises just Biblical contradictions or problems with personal pain.

2007-06-24 11:23:21 · update #1

Can any of you just give a explanation in logic without using the Bible or trying to point out the illogic of others ideas.
Just a plain logical argument as to why you believe God is an illogical concept?

2007-06-24 12:24:13 · update #2

24 answers

God is illogical because he is supposed to be an all-knowing and all-seeing (mutually exclusive traits, by the way) being that doesn't seem to know or see anything. He has to have existed forever. The atheist viewpoint only posits the fact that the universe exists. We know that. We're here as proof. Making any other assumptions beyond that either require a lot of mathematics to trace the current conditions as far back as we can. And so far, that leads us back to a singularity. The existence of a simple singularity is hard enough to comprehend. To go from a simple singularity existing to an all-knowing, all-seeing timeless being is a massive non-sequitor.

2007-06-24 11:06:08 · answer #1 · answered by Chris J 6 · 3 0

>>> Ideas are eternal and from personal intelligence so they must come from an eternal personal intelligence(God) and we are creatures that perceive them. <<<

Who says ideas are external? How can you make that claim? Are you saying that someone else is having your ideas for you?

>>> Absolutes exist, to say they don't creates one. So objective truth is plausible and a basis for right and wrong is possible if a eternal personal intelligence exists. <<<

Absolutes may exist. That does not mean that absolute morality exits. You have a dogmatic argument here. You are saying that morality is absolute because that means that God exists, and so morality is absolute. A history of slavery shows that morality is not absolute. Or a history of the death penalty.

>>> Intelligent designer and maker because life support systems that create life cannot just happen a maker is the most logical inference. <<<

Argument from ignorance and/or incredulity. Actually it looks pretty likely that a self replicating molecule, based on amino acids, would happen on the early Earth. Once you have a molecule that is capable of producing almost identical copies of itself the force of evolution will cause a huge variety of life. Just as we see today.



Premise:
Complex objects can only be produced by complex objects.

So the universe, being pretty complex, must have been designed and created by a complex designer - god.

But wait, god is a complex object. So god must have had a complex designer - god2.


But wait, god2 is a complex object. So god must have had a complex designer - god3.

And so we end up with an infinite regression of gods which is a logical impossibility.

There are two ways out:
1. Special Pleading. God is special and does not need a designer. This is incredibly bad logic, because anything you claim to be special about God I can claim about a natural universe.

2. The premise is wrong.

So the only logical conclusion is that the premise is wrong. So complex objects can come from simple objects, and ther is no need for a god.



Other than that, the concept of a all powerful, all knowing and all loving god is:
Incompatible with the world as it is. - An infinite god can find a better way than killing innocents to implement his plan.

Incompatible with an eternal hell. - Please explain to me what finite crime can possibly justify an infinite punishment.

2007-06-24 12:19:40 · answer #2 · answered by Simon T 7 · 1 1

God is illogical. reading the bible and remmembering all that God does, it ends up contradicting itself.
It destroys his omni - eveything.
The number of religions 'avaiable' today and atheism towards all other ancient Zeus-like deities....
The most logical step is to leave all of that alone.

When you look at the world through science, which is the purest way to look at the universe, you see that it could have come about without a "designer".
If you can't imagine it without a God, you hav ea need to anthromorphising the randomness of the Universe.

One simple question could make you find out if you need one or not.

If God doesn't need a creator, why does the unvierse? Can't the same logic apply to the Universe?
You'll find out when you give your answer.

2007-06-24 11:03:02 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

I can't say that God is illogical, because I do believe in God - not as a man sitting high in the sky, but as an overall 'force' (sorry about the star wars reference, but it is the best I can do haha). But, to say that everything and anything that happens because 'God did it' is illogical.

Results occur - either because something happened, or it did not happen.

To me, this is why we have science. With scientific evidence, the facts are right there, for everyone to see. There is no 'could be this or could be that'. It is fact. Until it is fact, it is just theory, which in of itself is interesting, but should not be taken as definite facts/results.

If we do not have definite facts on something, then we can speculate and say 'I don't know' about that very something forever. It is illogical to believe that very something to be true if we are saying we are not completely sure about it.

Again, I believe in God, but I do accept the fact that it is faith (which of course is blind). I just know that having some kind of philosophy in my life helps me feel good.

Sorry if what I wrote is confusing. :)

2007-06-24 11:19:36 · answer #4 · answered by skirtt_chaser 2 · 0 0

Once you figure out why diety's in other religions are illogical to you (Krishna, Mohammed and his flying horse, Buddha being reincarnated, all of the Gods worshiped by Native Americans, Ancient Egyptians, Zeus, Appollo, Ba'al, Wotan, etc...) you will see why atheists find the concept of any God illogical. We are all atheists with respect to Zeus, Thor, Osirus, etc... Atheists just go one god further.

There frankly is no compelling evidence for a creator god.

Also, building on what others have said above, look up the Riddle of Epicurus.

2007-06-24 11:02:23 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Boy, you like that word, huh? Is that your word of the day?

Can you really not see the inconsistencies and contradictions in your bible? Can you really say it makes total sense, and there can be no other possible explanation? The idea of some man in the sky who never shows himself to his "beloved creation", who created everything, then never bothered to tell anyone why or how he did it, who left man to figure it out on his own... that has a lot to do with it for me. And the fact that there are thousands of other gods... why don't you believe in any of them, instead of the one you do?

2007-06-24 11:01:19 · answer #6 · answered by ReeRee 6 · 0 0

It's not a "presupposition". I wish people wouldn't abuse that word.

God is logically impossible because the supposed traits of God cannot possibly exist within the same being. A god cannot be omniscient and still "give us free will". A god cannot be omnipotent and omniscient and have it's OWN free will. A god cannot be omnibenevolent and omnipotent if evil, natural disasters, disease, birth defects, etc, exist in the world.

2007-06-24 11:00:23 · answer #7 · answered by ZER0 C00L ••AM••VT•• 7 · 4 0

For hundreds of years, people have pronounced that their god became into at the back of what they did not comprehend -- existence, lightning, stars, earthquakes, the beginning of existence, the international or the universe, etc. Positing a god to supposedly answer a question solves not something. It purely stops you from asking greater questions. Your significant good judgment is purely the argument from layout. We now comprehend how the technique of evolution creates the visual charm of layout. inspect the 1st 2 hyperlinks. Sorry, yet faith in an historical e book of myths does not symbolize evidence. i don't comprehend why each and each individual could believe something from the Bible. It became into written by potential of primitive adult men who believed that the Earth became into the middle of the universe, and it became into flat and lined by potential of a huge good dome pronounced as the firmament. -

2016-11-07 09:14:52 · answer #8 · answered by kujala 4 · 0 0

It is illogical to believe in something for which there is no evidence. I can't see, hear, smell, taste, or feel god. How am I supposed to accept something that I can know? Warm fuzzy thoughts and a strong desire to want more than is here isn't enough for me.

Tell me, how do you see god as logical?

2007-06-24 11:07:44 · answer #9 · answered by atheist 6 · 1 1

there is suffering in the universe, yes? you say god didn't create it, it's a result of man's free will. whatever, it's still here and that alone to me disproves the concept of an all-knowing, all-good, all-powerful god.

there are 3 possibilities to explain suffering
1) god doesn't stop it because he doesnt' know about it, in which case he's not all-knowing
2) god doesn't stop it because he doesn't want to, in which case he's not all-good
3) god doesn't stop it because he can't, in which case he's not all-powerful.

there, i just proved that the concept of an all-knowing, all-good, all-powerful god is a completely illogical concept.

2007-06-24 11:00:05 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

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