Do GW skeptics know or care they're on the side of tobacco companies?

Question

A 'coalition' (TASCC) was the first corporate-funded group to claim that global clmiate change wasn't happening. They were funded by Phillip Morris.

JunkScience.com was started to depict peer-reviewed scientific papers which connected secondhand smoke to lung cancer as "junk science" and corporate-sponsored "findings" that they weren't linked as "sound science". JunkScience.com does the same for global warming peer-reviewed and corporate-sponsored papers. It also equates environmentalists to Nazis, fascists, and communists, and is one of the main sources used by global warming skeptics.

The same strategies of misinformation are used by both Phillip Morris and Exxon-Mobile-funded groups.

So do GW skeptics know or care that they're on the side of the tobacco companies?

Wow Philip, a random group of old people. That's...convincing?

Maren - what the heck are you talking about? There's nothing in my avatar's mouth.

Wow, I touched a nerve with this one. I guess the truth hurts sometimes.

Answer 1

Just to add... Steve Milloy, the self styled 'Internet Skeptic' and the man behing junkscience.com is funded by and receives editorial from tobacco and oil companies. That would make junkscience.com a good source for impartial information wouldn't it?

Similalry, a great many of the sources that are cited by climate change skeptics on Yahoo Answers can be traced back to individuals, websites and organisations that have a vested interest in denying climate change.

Both lay and professional proponents of climate change largely obtain their information from the same sources. The professional skeptics however generally use very different sources from the lay skeptics, which makes one wonder why. Could it be that many of the lay skeptics don't realise that the arguments they use and the sources they cite are so bad that the even professional skeptics dismiss them.

Answer 2

Water and a sustainable environment are much more important resources than oil, in spite of the economic pain our dependence upon oil has brought to us as of late. There is no excuse that oil companies "cannot build environmentally compliant refineries". Further, mere conservation could save 20 % of our consumption. Wrecking the environment has dire consequences. Even the Pentagon has contingencies in place for Global Warming and they also predict that in 50 years, the next major conflicts will resolve around water supply issues. The folks braying about oil and exploration are well behind the curve; forward-thinkers are looking past oil and towards the future dilemmas. Keep in mind, the scenario we see now was aptly predicted 30+ years ago by the same "evironmental wackos" you scorn. It is unfortunate that few paid heed.

Answer 3

-TASSC is defunct. I don't know what your TASCC coalition is. or what this has to do with JunkScience.com except that Steve Milloy was employed by PM-funded TASSC. Are you saying that JunkScience is a front for Philip-Morris? If so, post your evidence.

In light of your reckless disregard for the facts with your misrepresentation of Professor Bryce's previous stance(s), I'm sure that the folks at Yahoo!Answers would like to know about your intentional misinformation.

But as long as you can only see a smear:

So do GW alarmists know or care that they are on the side of one of the most unethical, irresponsible corporate band of thieves in the last century, ENRON?
http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA384.html

Do environmentalists know or care that they are personally responsible for the deaths of millions of people globally through a campaign of misinformation and pseudoscience to ban DDT?

Do environmentalists know or care that they have been and continue to be the greatest obstacle to full deployment of nuclear energy? Do they realize that had we continued a steady program of converting to nuclear energy, that we could have easily surpassed Kyoto or IPCC goals of reduced carbon emissions?

Answer 4

It's simple - All the lefties have been incensed with jealous power-hunger since 9/11. They created the absurd proposition that President Bush engineered and/or allowed the terrorist attacks in order to have a massive emergency that would allow him to implement extreme measures - religious crusade, feeding his oil buddy's, getting revenge on Saddam for trying to kill his daddy, on and on and on.

So-called "Global Warming" is simply the lefties fighting what the believe is fire, with fire. They have cooked up this whole thing as a way of having their very own emergency, in hopes that they can convince everyone that THEY are the ones who can save us all. ....if only we would all do as they say. If we give them an inch, how long will it be before they have people reporting their neighbors for using their air conditioners more than the government alloted numbers of hours each day??

We've all seen this before: Supposed and/or self-annointed experts claiming that their pet theory is "established facts" and tsk tsk'ing us pitiable folks who don't have their (often bogus) credentials so that we can be smart and wise like them. Meanwhile, all the people driving the movement are somehow exempt from it's requirements, like Al Gore driving around everywhere in a private jet that spews enough carbon for 1000 people. That is, when he's not hanging out at his house with the 10,000 amp electrical service. This same basic scheme has been going on since Hitler advanced the theory that life would be grand again if Germany could just get rid of all non-Aryans, when he himself was most decidedly NOT Aryan. Fascist idealogy always applies to everyone except the people who invent them out of thin air. Why is that?

In the end, if you examine things closely, most of their logic is as simple as this.... A man had breakfast and then he died. Therefore breakfast causes death.

You can prove anything if you leave out enough facts.

Answer 5

Oh for pity’s sake!

OK, so now, because I’m an AGW sceptic, I’m not only associated with Holocaust deniers, and Islamic terrorists, now I’m being linked with the tobacco companies as well?!

You say: “So do GW skeptics know or care that they're on the side of the tobacco companies?”

No, I didn’t know.

Do you know *why* I didn’t know?

Because you’re talking nonsense, that’s why.

As my German teacher at school used to say: “Oh Lord, help you to keep your big mouth shut, until you know what you’re talking about”

Sometimes Dana you raise good points that are worth discussing. This is just stupid though.

Answer 6

Well I'll be...roll me up some Grade A tobacco in one of your Global Warming Flyers you pass out and hit one for me.

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So, the eco freaks that put millions upon millions of tires to save the reefs thirty years ago, which ended up doing so much damage to the reefs over the last 30 years that the reefs would of been better off if they had been left alone -- that makes sense to you?

Is that part of your tobacco driven campaign of false hood. Where does that fit in? Since you are talking about save the planet...how do you dismiss millions of tires dumped in the ocean to save the planet??? Also, what else will you dismiss and use tobacco as an excuse...sorry but that is pathetic - blame it on the tobacco companies.

Answer 7

I'm one of your GW skeptics, and I'm glad The tobacco companies are equating environmentalists to Nazis, fascists, and communists, I could use the help holding off all the pinkos.

Answer 8

climate change has been going on since the begining of time. the earth was once a block of a ice and one time it was very volcanic. The sun is always changing thus the climate. That is why mars has climate change.

Answer 9

Well, snce they are right, I guess we do not care. Do you care that you perpetuate a lie?

Answer 10

Wait a minute....isn't that a cigarette in your mouth on your avatar? I'm confused.