The TRUTH about the Thief on the Cross, Can you be sure he was'nt baptised before he was a Thief?

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"The Thief on the Cross" Is Baptism nessary?

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When asked about if Baptism is nessary for Salvation, many refer to Luke 23:39‑43, which talks about the Thief on the Cross, They say "The Thief wasn't baptised so its not nessacary".

Truth is, You cannot be 100% sure the Theif wasn't baptised.

The robber (Gk. lestes, a robber - Matthew 27:38, 44, not thief, kleptes) to whom Jesus said, "...Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with Me in paradise" (Luke 23:43) was not just a common criminal. The man had honesty and courage as seen in his rebuke of the other robber, he appeared to fear God, acknowledged his guilt, accepted his deserved punishment, showed respect for Jesus, defended Jesus' innocence, and had some knowledge of Jesus' kingdom (Luke 23:40-42). This man was certainly not an impenitent sinner expecting death bed salvation, as he is sometimes portrayed!

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Also, "WHAT PARADISE WAS JESUS TALKING ABOUT?"

As you read the bible, The day he died, he DID NOT go to heaven, but That day he went to Hell.

He was buried in Joseph's new tomb (Luke 23:51‑53), and went to hades, the unseen world. The robber also went to the unseen world, for Jesus had told him, "Today thou shalt be with me in paradise." As further proof that Jesus went to hades, Peter quotes David. Hear Him, "He seeing this before, spake of the resurrection of Christ; that his soul was not left in hell [that's hades] neither did his flesh see corruption" (Acts 2:31). How could David say that Christ's soul was not left in hell (hades) if He did not go there? This hell which is from the Greek hades seems to refer to the unseen abode of the spirits of the dead, the receptacle of disembodied spirits between death and the resurrection. Therefore, paradise, the place, or state in which Christ said the robber would be with Him that day, must be included in the unseen abode (hades)Greek

According to history, it was understood in the past ages that hades was divided into two parts‑first, paradise, the unseen abode of the embodied spirits of the righteous and, secondly, tartarus, the unseen abode of disembodied spirits of the wicked (cf. Luke 16:19-31). We do know according to the Bible that there is an inter­mediate state of the departed, for the apostle Peter said in 2 Peter 2:4, "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [that's tartarus] and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto the judgment.” So it is very clear here that the wicked after death are delivered into chains of darkness to be reserved unto the judgment. So the sentencing of the wicked will be after the resurrection and the judgment.

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The Thief was not under the new covenant and could have been baptised by John, We are now under the New Covenant and are baptised pertaining to the Great commission, Jesus did not give this commission until he was about to assend, This argument about The theif on the cross is an invalid one when used by many trying to prove it baptism isn't nessascary.
If someone died before they get baptised and they have a disire, i believe either God will spare you or either he will accept you because of that disire.

Answer 1

He could have been baptized at some point. Jesus preached for three years. Many people heard Jesus and of Jesus and his deciples went out and preached. Many people were baptized during that time.

the main thing about the thief on the cross that people strictly ignore is a testement does not go into effect until the death of the testator Hebrews 9: 16,17 is just one passage to prove this but there are others.

Even today our courts do not get into battles over money while the person who has the money is alive, the testator is alive and can distribute his wealth and property as he pleases search Romans and you find similar words applied to Christ as testator.

What these people ignore is Christ was still alive so he could allow the thief into heaven because he had not yet died, but no man today has that same right. It is like someone trying to get part of Elvis's estate simply because while alive Elvis was very generous with his wealth and was known to give strangers huge amounts of money and fancy cars, but no man, woman or judge can distribute this today using Elvis generousty as proof that any of us can claim his wealth after his death. This is what people who deny baptism do.. They are claiming something that only Jesus while he was alive could do.

There are many thousand different Christian beliefs and all claim these beliefs are in the bible, so either the bible is ambigious, or most people are way off base when it comes to scripture, but they are very well trained at debating their arguement and using passages their belief uses to justify their belief.

Point is according to the bible very few will make it so either the bible is true or it is just another book of myths. Each person must decide for themselves.

Personally I think it has some very good stories and can be used along with many other philosophies to live a better life.What a person believes is fine with me, but if a question is asked about the bible I do have comments since I studied it for over 25 years.
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Edit:

I forgot to add scripture that if the bible means what it says and says what it means then everyone must be baptized or they are not in the will of God. Here they are.

Mark16:16 Acts 2:38, Romans 6:4,5,6 1 Corintnhians 12:13, Galations 3:27, (also study Galations1:8,9 )Colossians 2:12,1 Peter3:21 According to these verses Baptism is required to be a Christian and the conclusion would be without being baptized you do not meet the requirements of being a Christian. This is not my words, check out what the book says. I don't care one way or other, I am just answering the question.

Answer 2

Friend, this subject about baptism has been a controversy subject. the thief on the croos was not baptized, & if we can say he was then it only had to be under John's baptism, But No he was not baptized, Now many tries to use baptism as salvation, without seeing that the 1st thing a sinner must do is repent, Salvation did not even come in it's complete form until the day of Pentacost, The Catholics believe in sprinkling a child, that is not even scriptures, I know many people that was baptized, & never repented, they went down a dry sinner & came up a wet one. Now to say that you are not save until you are baptized, I think if a person is on their death bed & GOD deals with them, Then God has to be mercyful unto them, But they will have a less role in the milliennium, But now let's say I repent today & my intentions was to be baptize tomorrow, & I get kill tonight, then God would have to be just & honor my repentance. But now If I drag my feet or refuse to be baptize, that is a different story, Mark says he that believeth & is baptized shall be save, Therefore you don't only have a water baptism but also a Holy Ghost baptism, We are not save until that spirit of God comes into our hearts, Therfore you must be repented & Baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ, & then The promise to me is that I will received that gift of eternal life, which is the seal of God & the baptsim of the Holy Ghost.

Answer 3

There is no reason to believe the thief on the cross was baptized. Baptism was a sign of repentance. The thief did not repent until his last minute on the cross. Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

Answer 4

Jesus provided salvation that we can obtain through faith. Baptism by water is a ritual, to show the world that you are not apart of it anymore, while enacting the resurrection to come.

So that's what it is. I faith faith in God, not in my observance to rituals. I think that every Christian ought to be baptized, but not in conflict; the conflict being that the action saves you.

Answer 5

You just gave me a headache. It is way too early to be asking this kind of thing.