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I am a Christian that does not believe that Jesus and God are one. The bible holds no proof that this is the case so why do so many other Christians believe this?

2007-06-23 20:38:29 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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IT IS said that some Bible texts offer proof in support of the Trinity. However, when reading such texts, we should keep in mind that the Biblical and historical evidence does not support the Trinity.
Any Bible reference offered as proof must be understood in the context of the consistent teaching of the entire Bible. Very often the true meaning of such a text is clarified by the context of surrounding verses.
Three in One

THE New Catholic Encyclopedia offers three such "proof texts" but also admits: "The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament]. In the N[ew] T[estament] the oldest evidence is in the Pauline epistles, especially 2 Cor 13.13 [verse 14 in some Bibles], and 1 Cor 12.4-6. In the Gospels evidence of the Trinity is found explicitly only in the baptismal formula of Mt 28.19."
In those verses the three "persons" are listed as follows in The New Jerusalem Bible. Second Corinthians 13:13 (14) puts the three together in this way: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." First Corinthians 12:4-6 says: "There are many different gifts, but it is always the same Spirit; there are many different ways of serving, but it is always the same Lord. There are many different forms of activity, but in everybody it is the same God who is at work in them all." And Matthew 28:19 reads: "Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
Do those verses say that God, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, they do not, no more than listing three people, such as Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one.
This type of reference, admits McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, "proves only that there are the three subjects named, . . . but it does not prove, by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature, and possess equal divine honor."
Although a supporter of the Trinity, that source says of 2 Corinthians 13:13 (14): "We could not justly infer that they possessed equal authority, or the same nature." And of Matthew 28:18-20 it says: "This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their equality or divinity

2007-06-23 21:08:04 · answer #1 · answered by I speak Truth 6 · 0 0

The trinity is considered the doctrine of men from the Bible point of view. This issue was raised because the Jewish people only believe in ONE GOD, and yet Jesus Christ many times claimed to be this person that they believed in. Also to believe the trinity makes Christianity a pagan religion to many people in other religions because Christians believe in 3 god's as magically one and call it blind faith to understand this. The greatest commandment of the Bible is there is only one God and yet trinitarians without Bible proof will tell you God really meant three not one. I have a much easier explanation. In the Old Testament God was called Jehovah or Lord or Father of us all. And when our Lord Jesus Christ was with mankind he was God with us as a brother. And currently he is as Adam was while God was forming a wife from his rib asleep and putting that same Spirit that the Bible calls Holy inside human flesh and making Jesus Christ a bride as what God did with Adam in the beginning of time;
If the Son is not the father why in Isaiah is he called everlasting father; Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
If Jesus Christ is not the Father then Jesus Lied and you should throw your bible away

2007-06-24 04:00:37 · answer #2 · answered by sirromo4u 4 · 0 1

I think you are mislead. There is a uncompromisable proof in the Bible of the trinity.

If you don't understand what trinity is then you do not understand who God is, then how can you be a Christian?

In the Genesis where it says "in the beginning God" the Hebrew word for God is Elohim, which is plural , that means its not just one. Its them, which is trinity.

JOHN 14:16-17 Jesus speaks and mentions ALL THREE in the same sentence. Father, son , and holy spirit.

If you say you are a Christian then I don't see how you can reject the statements that God is triune when its clear in the Bible.

2007-06-24 03:46:24 · answer #3 · answered by Monkey Chunks 3 · 1 2

In Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is one being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a mutual indwelling of three persons: the Father, the Son (incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth), and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th century, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "three persons in one God," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal persons, are of one indivisible Divine essence, a simple being. Supporting the doctrine of the Trinity is known as Trinitarianism. The majority of Christians are Trinitarian, and regard belief in the Trinity as a test of orthodoxy. Opposing, nontrinitarian positions that are held by some groups include Binitarianism (two deities/persons/aspects), Unitarianism (one deity/person/aspect), the Godhead (Latter Day Saints) (three separate beings) and Modalism (Oneness).

In addition to teaching that God comprises three persons, the doctrine also teaches that the Son Himself has two distinct natures, one fully divine and the other fully human.

Neither the Old Testament nor New Testament uses the term "Trinity," though Trinitarians believe the concept is implicit in various biblical passages (see Scripture section below). The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of continuous exploration by the church of the biblical data, argued in debate and treatises.[1] It was expressed in early writings from the beginning of the second century forward.[1] The First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD established a nearly universal Trinitarian dogma and expressly rejected any heresies. The most widely recognized Biblical foundations for the doctrine's formulation are in the Gospel of John.[citation needed]

2007-06-24 03:41:15 · answer #4 · answered by toxicat13 3 · 0 2

You are incorrectly assuming Trinitarians are the only ones who believe Jesus is God. Monarchians also believe Jesus is God, but they deny that God is three persons.

In any event, the link below will give you Biblical reasons why Jesus is God. The entire book is online, so you may want to read it all.

Skeet

2007-06-24 03:53:09 · answer #5 · answered by Skeeter D 2 · 1 1

Josh, "In the beginning was the WORD, the WORD was with God and the WORD was God. And the Spirit of the Lord hovered over the waters."

Josh, another name for Jesus is WORD! Read the above and you will see that indeed, all three were present from the beginning!

So, as a Christian, I would suggest you read a bit more on this topic.

Blessings!

2007-06-24 03:49:38 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

I guess I am a Trinitarian Christian. Wow! It's the first time I've ever been accused of that.

I believe in the Trinity because King Henry VIII would not submit to the authority of the Pope because that would have meant submitting to the authority of the King of Spain. I am Anglican (Episcoplian, Church of England call it what you want) because that it is the heritage of my wife's family and mine.

I'm not going to have a Bible fight with you. Leave me be-to believe what I want (Apostle's Creed from the Anglican Book of Common Prayer), and I'll leave you in peace to believe what you want.

Deal?

2007-06-24 03:46:58 · answer #7 · answered by Pagan Dan 6 · 0 1

The Trinity is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The idea is that the Father is in everything, including his son. This being the Holy Ghost.

Jesus Christ openly professes that he is NOT God and was constantly saying so. However, He was filled with the Holy Ghost because only the Father can perform the miracles.

It is the same concept with the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ is not Satan himself but will be empowered by him. (Remember, for everything that God has, the devil has an opposite)

2007-06-24 03:44:51 · answer #8 · answered by Theresa B 2 · 2 2

1 Corinthians 11:3
But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

The Trinity is a continuation of the ancient triadic gods. They were used as impetus for huge building projects such as the pyramids. According to Wikipedia, the legal fronts for organised crime are building construction, trash hauling and gambling. The organised crime is typically prostitution or drugs. These three activities seem to correspond to the triad of Osiris, Isis and Horus who were Creator/ Destroyer and Administrator/Game-player. Society is in a bit of state. I remember you answered one of my other questions. Hypnosis, they say, is socially induced by means of relaxation, compliance and suggestion. People act out the role they think society wants them to. Jesus said that people are "harassed and helpless" like sheep without a shepherd. Matthew 9:36 - "When he saw the crowds, he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd."

I'm just watching Youtube on another tab. The heartrending scenes of the mass graves of dead soldiers are heart-rending. Do they really all have to do in the name of defending a lifestyle of building, but there's never "enough" supposedly for the poor? The Trinity is a symbol of oppression stemming from ancient times. Nimrod, founder of the Tower of Babel, built in opposition to God (Genesis 11) apparently was made into a god triad as Marduk with his mother and somebody else. I just searched for info and found this quote: "In the cultic practices, humans fulfilled their destiny: to take care of the gods' material needs. They therefore provided the gods with houses (the temples) that were richly supplied with lands, which people cultivated for them."

2007-06-24 06:29:18 · answer #9 · answered by MiD 4 · 0 0

I'll answer this for them: they believe in the trinity dogma because that's what they were taught and that's how they interpret the bible.

A better question would be...Christians: Why do you believe in Jesus? With jesus you have a guy who supposedly created many amazing miracles...had lots of followers...yet no one wrote a word about him until decades after he died. Kind of odd huh....There were many scribes and writers and surely someone wouldve written something...but no...everything written was hearsay many years after the supposed fact. It's something to think about....

2007-06-24 03:50:13 · answer #10 · answered by - Justin - 3 · 0 1

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