Religious experts insist that God needs nothing and noone. I am no expert, but I have concluded that if God was perfect and anything he created had perfect intentions and were created as intended (Even Satan was created as intended for God created him and wanted him to follow his heart and thats what Satan did, because he would not force anyone or anything to do anything) he would have been labeled a dependent for even creating one single thing. Since God has the desire to create things, this means that God is not independent. He created them because he would not be satisfied without their creation. Something, some urge that bothered him so bad that he needed to take action had greater power than him. Me for example, he would not have created me if he did not NEED me. He is perfect, he doesnt create for fun.He can not live without humans and angels. He HAD to create them, for without them, he would never get to where hes trying to go with all of existance. Ultimately, God is DEPENDENT.
2007-06-23 18:30:41 · 5 answers · asked by Godly_Expert 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Brother Michael, you said, "He doesn't need us to do anything for Him." Did you know that we were created to glorify God to a magnitude greater than he is glorified now. You may argue that he already has all the glory which is correct, but without people to share that glory with, God remains UNSATISFIED. The word UNSATISFIED is key because it reveals that God has a weakness. God does not create things because he merely wants to, remember he is perfect and everything he does satisfies his existance and his purpose. He does not randomly make things, he only makes things that he wants badly from the bottom of his heart. My conclusion is that God is vulnerable and to say my arguement doesn't have merit is nonesense. It reveals your inability to truely grasp the full depth of this theory. If God were truely independent nothing would exist but his own conscience, because nothing else would add to him or take away through creation, he makes things he cannot live without, that is the point.
2007-06-24 06:16:27 · update #1
You are right, you are not an expert. You make a lot of presuppostional statements and leaps in logic that have no validity. You say God would never force anyone to do anything. Really? Have you ever read the Bible? God moves nations and kings around like a chess board. Jonah was called to go to Ninevah, he ran away and refused to go. Guess what, he went. Simply having the desire to do something does not take away independence, He proved He wanted to do something, and did it, without any permission or help from anyone. He created us for His good pleasure, because He wanted to. He didn't need to or have to, He chose to do so. God existed for all eternity, He was perfectly fine before the universe was formed and seemed to exist in perfection before humans came into existence. He doesn't need us to validate Him, help Him, educate Him or do anything for Him. I hate to puncture your ego, but God doesn't need you. If you died tonight, not one attribute of God would be diminished, He would still be God, and still totally sovereign. God is perfectly able to do whatever He wishes without the aid of us egocentric humans. God is totally self-sufficient, self-sustaining, and self-contained. He is dependent on no man, nor any thing.
2007-06-23 18:49:54 · answer #1 · answered by BrotherMichael 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Perhaps your theory may have more merit if there actually was a separate God in the first place--however as both Christ & Buddha have rejected the notion that there actually is a separate Godhead--your scenario doesn't hold water.
2007-06-24 01:42:20 · answer #2 · answered by huffyb 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I am not in the position to challenge your conclusion!
I am a small insignificant being that would answer your question in truth, but your conclusion has placed limitations
on the possibility of my answering the question.
"May the wind, be always at your back."
2007-06-24 02:01:19 · answer #3 · answered by WillRogerswannabe 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
have you seen the movie "never ending story" where the existence of Fantasia depends on people believing it exists?
the same is true for any God version there is, it can only exist if people believe so, and it goes "poof" with the last believer.
2007-06-24 01:42:18 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
allah needs 72 virgins.
2007-06-24 01:49:44 · answer #5 · answered by allahdevil1 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋