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Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
John 8:54

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:29

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
John 7:16

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

and why catholics insist that Jesus is God!? ins't these verses very clear that Jesus and God are two different things?

2007-06-23 17:41:40 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

17 answers

What then do you do with John 14:7-11?

7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."

8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."

9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

Do not try to play "gotcha" with the Trinity. God has been trying to tell you about himself, but because humanity has such limited and finite understanding, he works within the context of your understanding. In short, he uses language that you can understand. In order for the finite to gain some semblance of a grasp of the Nature of God, he explains his nature with ideas that are already a part of our lives. Concepts like Father and Son.

2007-06-23 17:56:35 · answer #1 · answered by Tim H 4 · 1 0

Ok John 8:54 Jesus is showing modesty here and giving god credit for honouring.

Mark 12:29 Jesus is telling Israel that there is only one god.

John 7:16 Jesus is telling the Israelites that the doctrine they are receiving is not something he wrote up, that it was sent/made by god.

Matthew 19:17 Here Jesus is talking to a child and for those of you who do not know this, all children under the age of 12 are considered sinless regardless of what their actions are. Anyway Jesus is telling the child when he grows up to follow the commandments because someday he will be liable for his actions.

I have no idea why Catholics insist or think that Jesus/God are one in the same. If I'm not mistaken, not all Catholic churches are like that. Who knows?

2007-06-23 21:25:20 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Yes knowledge of the bible is important, but you also need to work in harmony with what you are learning. Faith with out works is dead" We do not only believe that to attain ever lasting life, all you have to do is be versed in the word of Jehovah. Millions of people do that today. But the question is are the living in harmony with bible standards. Are they living there life in accord with everything they are reading in the bible. Back in the 1st century, the pharisees yes they were very well versed in the scrolls. The problem that they developed was that they would read it, but not apply it. Or they would apply certain verses, and leave off the others. The were considered hypocrites because they would overly criticize the people of that day, and when it came to them, they would not follow there own words. The same as today. Many preachers today have so much to say to there congregation about so many things that they should not do, but in some cases the preachers are doing the same thing that they are preaching against. These ones would thus be considered a hypocrite.

2016-05-18 23:22:24 · answer #3 · answered by ? 3 · 0 0

Yes, these verses are self-evident that Jesus and God are two separate beings, Jesus being the Son, and God being the Father...the trinity as most Christians believe exists, is false doctrine...and how about when Jesus was baptized, God said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased" that proves he is his Son, not himself...and the Holy Spirit decended in the form of a white dove, thus proving that the Holy Spirit is also a separate being from the other two...

Three separate beings with ONE purpose and ONE leader...Heavenly Father and fulfilling His will...

I was raised devout Catholic for my first 19 yrs...we were taught in catechism not to question the teachings of those who were obviously higher in spirituality than us mere common folk, and so are much more worthy (in their own eyes) to receive individual revelation...we were told to accept it as something we are not suppose to understand in this life...

This is one of the hardest questions I struggled with in my yrs growing up, the other was "Where did I come from?" I was told, "we are not supposed to know that"...which made no sense to me at all, God put me here, but doesn't want me to know where I came from? That is so not true! He loves us much more than to leave us hanging on something so fundamentally important!

No, God does not toy with our minds...he tells it straight and to me, this is very straight forward...Jesus is God's literal Son, and the Holy Spirit is sent to testify of Christ.

2007-06-23 18:03:45 · answer #4 · answered by EM 2 · 0 0

Jesus had not yet revealed to the world who He was. Often times, whenever God sees sincerity of heart reaching out to Him; He meets that individual at the level they are on. If they respond then in time he moves them up to the next level. There are many levels.

In the early days of Jesus' ministry He only spoke openly to his closest disciples.

SCRIPTURE:

Matthew 13:11-15
11 He replied, “You are permitted to understand the secrets[a] of the Kingdom of Heaven, but others are not. 12 To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given, and they will have an abundance of knowledge. But for those who are not listening, even what little understanding they have will be taken away from them. 13 That is why I use these parables,

For they look, but they don’t really see.
They hear, but they don’t really listen or understand.

14 This fulfills the prophecy of Isaiah that says,

‘When you hear what I say,
you will not understand.
When you see what I do,
you will not comprehend.
15 For the hearts of these people are hardened,
and their ears cannot hear,
and they have closed their eyes—
so their eyes cannot see,
and their ears cannot hear,
and their hearts cannot understand,
and they cannot turn to me
and let me heal them.

2007-06-23 17:57:59 · answer #5 · answered by Timothy E 3 · 1 0

Matthew 19:16-17 does not deny Jesus's divinity. He might have, for example, said this knowing that the man would deny him later, and thus talk in the way of the man's thinking that he might engage him in conversation, and put him to the test.

2007-06-23 17:51:35 · answer #6 · answered by w2 6 · 1 0

first verse; was talking to the scribes and Pharisshies who loved self praise and that of men, so Jesus corrected that.

second verse; "God is one Lord" read Genisis about creation, were God say create man in "our" image who was God talking to? Jesus? proving they are one .

third verse; He humbled himself in the form of man

fourth verse; He was trying to show the Rich Young Ruler he needed God, if Christ was not prideful why should he be?
read scripture fully.

when you take out bits and pieces you mis interped it.

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
John 1:11In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning
14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only,[d] who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

2007-06-23 17:46:27 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

It is not only Catholics that attest to the fact that Jesus is God and part of the Trinity. All of mainstream Christianity says this. Why did Jesus also say "He who sees me, sees the Father" and when they asked him to show them the Father he said "Have I been with you so long and you do not know me?"and also "The Father and I are one"

2007-06-23 17:48:41 · answer #8 · answered by Midge 7 · 3 0

Clearly, in all these verses, Jesus is saying his Father was a seperate and superior person to Jesus.

As for Catholics, simply because the Bible declares something plainly has never stopped them from going the other way before. Why start now?

2007-06-23 17:48:26 · answer #9 · answered by grnlow 7 · 2 2

The Holy Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) is a mystery. They are three individual persons in one. All of your verses can be condensed into this one verse here, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30)

2007-06-23 17:49:36 · answer #10 · answered by stpolycarp77 6 · 2 1

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