Atheists : If God din't create the universe, who did ?

Question

or did we just exist like that without any creation.
All planets revolve around the sun; perfect composition of oxygen in the air; Ozone etc. all sustaining life - just like that ?

NB: ozone is depleting, but man is becoming smarter by the day, and will devise new methods to deal with new problems.

About Big bang...its fairly stupid to attribute life and such - everything that exists to a big bang, without it being intiated through a more superior force.

I'm sure half the theories you will come up with can be fairly put away.

So who created the universe ? Now ahtiest, you tell me the answer.

I'm not trying to discard you, but just making things easier for you to comprehend - after all its the R&S section.

Answer 1

so, you're saying "since we don't know - there must be god"? very profound

Answer 2

no one did. and the bla bla bla thing is generally called science, even by those who have even the most fundamental grip on it. you cannot argue for a creator from incredulity, why that would make you no different than the cargo cults of micronesia. all of the evidence and the facts point to the big bang happening, or are you totally denying the background micro-wave radiation, (predicted by the theory), the expansion of the universe, as far as i know not one single astronomer refutes that. do you reject the evidence that the universe has expaned at diferential rates, as predicted by the inflationary model of the big bang, again as far as i know not one cosmologist rejects the hard evidence of this. have you ever herd the saying, 'if it quacks like a duck and waddles like ad duck: it's a duck'. well all of the unchallenged evidence points to the duck being a big bang. and believe it or not there are some theists who believe this too. we are here because we're here, simple as that. the basic laws of nature in this universe dictate that we are possible, and here we are. you don't need a creator, the universe is quiet capable of doing its own thing and science can or will explain most of it. where did it all come from, well that's a doozie, a hard nut to crack but they're moving towards that one, i mean even the omnipotent god took seven days to build just the earth, what do you expect from science:miracles?

now here's a poser, +1+ -1 =0. all of the negative energy and all of the positive energy in our universe cancel one another out, surprise our universe in total consists of nothing. we're nothing but a quantum vacuum fluctuation, an aberation that will disappear in time and measured against all eternity will will not even register as a blip. that is one of the educated speculations being made for the universe by some scientists. whether it's true or not i don't really know, but at least it's speculation based on solid evidence not metaphysical stories like a supernatural creator. read some books and think very deeply.

Answer 3

I don't think Simeon created the universe. As someone would have had to create them. And where are they if there was no universe? How did they get things right, with reproduction etc?

I'm not atheist, I'm pagan.

How can you say the big bang theory is stupid? I could say that someone just making light, and creating life was just too simple.

I'm sure the theories for creation could be put away as well. Just because that's what you believe in, doesn't make it the truth. Learn to let people live by what they believe, and that you are not neccesarly right.

Answer 4

The basic elements of the universe have always existed, not an infinitely complex creator. All signs point to religion first evolving as polytheistic, and even Hinduism is older than Judaism, why aren't you hollering about Shiva?

While life is indeed spectacular, our universe has been expanding at an incredible rate for such a long time that it is virtually infinite. With the time span we have gone through in our universe of course there are going to be select areas that are suitable for various forms of life.

Answer 5

I'm afraid you need to do some more work, and drop some prejudicial assumptions before you can tackle this well.

"all sustaining life - just like that ?"
That's covered by the "weak anthropic principle" (and weak doesn't mean it's a feeble argument!)
If the universe was a lot different than the one we see, we wouldn't be there to observe it. So in any universe that has sentient observers in it, it's going to have physical constants pretty much like this one. Creator or not.

The big bang in its earliest form was proposed by a Roman Catholic cleric. It was arrived at by extrapolating backwards in time from current observations. It's hardly an idea plucked from nowhere.

And something out of nothing?
Do you still think of a perfect vacuum as being "nothing"?
You have lots to discover.

Answer 6

If you're actually interested in gaining knowledge, as opposed to remaining in ignorance, there's a very simple overview of the Big Bang Theory here (with links to more information):

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bb1.html

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Before you even start with the "it's just a theory" crap:

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_help/h_glossary.html#Theory

"Theory
A scientifically testable general principle or body of principles offered to explain observed phenomena. In scientific usage, a theory is distinct from a hypothesis (or conjecture) that is proposed to explain previously observed phenomena. For a hypothesis to rise to the level of theory, it must predict the existence of new phenomena that are subsequently observed. A theory can be overturned if new phenomena are observed that directly contradict the theory."

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"All planets revolve around the sun; perfect composition of oxygen in the air; Ozone etc. all sustaining life - just like that ?"

See, here's the thing. If things were different -- not so perfect for sustaining life -- life would never have evolved. Things exist because they can.

There is not one shred of evidence for the existence of any god, yours included. You can remain ignorant if you choose, just keep your mythology out of our schools.

Answer 7

Because of my superior imagination, I can comprehend a universe with no creator. Out of all the planets in the universe, how common is a planet with our particular atmosphere? Your reasoning is similar to a person who happens to be rich, so they decide the economy of their country is great, while all around them people are starving to death. Pretty stupid actually. I hope this was all easy enough for you to comprehend.

Answer 8

No, what you're doing is trying to explain what you don' t or can't understand with a magical wave of an imaginary being's hand.
And that's not science, that childish.
When science doesn't know something, it says "we don't know, yet". But when religion doesn't know something (and that's pretty much 100% of the time) it makes up some BS story and says "that's the answer, take it or leave it" no matter how inane or how false.
See the difference?

Answer 9

There is no reason to believe anyone or anything created it. In fact, doing so creates two large logical problems:

1. who created the creator and so on ad infinitum (he has been here forever does not get you out of this because we knows from measurements the universe has not)
2. the creator must necessarily be more complex than the created, so this simplifies nothing

Answer 10

It's a question of which you believe is the eternal power -- the cosmos itself, or a manlike deity.

The cosmos could be considered a divine thing, but it doesn't have any of the imperfections assigned to manlike deities in religious writings.

The god you created is much too much like you. The cosmos is perfection.

Answer 11

Well let's see. I want to answer this question; however, since you have already made up your mind about the big bang, I will leave this alone.

I believe in the big bang theory, because it makes the most plausible sense to me.

If you feel that god created the universe that fine by me.