Mormons, aren't the KJV quotes in the BOM proof that Mormonism isn't true?

Question

So all these plates were supposedly written in ancient america, and somehow there are word for word quotes from the King James version of the bible.

Are you gonna tell me Joseph Smith was lazy and just used his bible when he was 'translating' these plates? If so then why didn't God help him translate those parts becuase you say God helped Joseph Smith translate. You believe the book of mormon is perfect, and you say the bible has translation errors. Well, those translation errors got copied right into the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith. So why didn't God stop him and tell him the right words?

How much more proof do you need that the BOM is fiction?

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/plag/long.html

Karen, I would like to know how Nephi had a King James version of the bible when that translation wasn't even written until the year 1611. Nephi lived quite a few years before that.

I don't understand why you Mormons still don't understand the question. Hello, there is KING JAMES VERSION quotes in the Book of Mormon!! Proof beyond any shadow of a doubt that the BOM is a FRAUD. There was no KING JAMES VERSION of the bible in 600 BC! Thats why ex-mormons are always mad at themselves for believing a religion that is so obviously not true.

Answer 1

I find it fascinating that when cornered Mormons declare the Bible is "mistranslated" and inaccurate. Yet, much of their
"sacred" book is copied verbatim .... not from the original Hebrew, but from the 1611 English translation (some 1000 year after their "history" and in another language!!!).

We can see Jerusalem, we can climb the Mount of Olives, we can dig stones out of the dirt of Jericho that formed their walls. We can visit Antioch, Ephesus, and Thessolonica.

What we cannot do is find the hill Cumorah, Lamanites, Nephites, any Hebrew in the new world or any references to non Biblical events specific to the BOM.

It is a fantasy and has been disproved for a century, but slick marketing, missionaries like ants, and a fantastic PR campaign that somehow casts dispersions on anyone who challenges their claims have been propagated to try to shore up this indigenous 19th century belief based on bad theology, hucksterism and naivety ... when will it erode? O, BTW, more people leave the LDS sect than are converted annually ... but you won't be able to prove that legitimately until the LDS release accurate numbers ... which they choose not to do.

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Answer 2

It stands to reason that God is going to teach the same thing to one peoples as He does to another. He's certainly not going to one group and teach one thing, then go to another people and teach something totally different. So, it just makes sense tat a lot of things taught to the Bible people would ALSO be taught to the Book of Mormon people.

God did help Joseph Smith translate the Book of Mormon. Why would God tell Joseph Smith that the translation is exactly the opposite of what the Bible says? Isn't the gospel the same everywhere?

Also, we do NOT believe the Book of Mormon to be perfect. Joseph Smith stated that it was the most CORRECT book, but never said it was perfect. And as far as being "the most correct", that means the message, not the spelling, or the grammer, or anything like that.

You ask "those translation errors got copied right into the Book of Mormon by Joseph Smith. So why didn't God stop him and tell him the right words?"

And if the right words would seem to contradict the Bible, you believe it would be MORE acceptable? The Gospel message in teh Bible may not be perfect, but it is good enough at this point for God. Evidently, it's not broken enough for God to fix it that much.

There is no PROOF that the Book of Mormon is true or false. Just as there is no PROOF that the Bible is true or false, or the word of God. If there was PROOF, then more people would be Christian.

Answer 3

For me the fact that quotes from the Bible are in the Book of Mormon tell me that the ancient prophets who wrote the book were inspired by God to write down what they did. It just gives more proof to the fact that the words in The Book of Mormon came from true prophets that received revelations and not because Joseph Smith was lazy. He translated the very words of Nephi, Mosiah, Alma, Helaman, Mormon, and all the others. Everything that was written WAS the right words so there was NO need for God to stop him from writing anything but the truth. You may have had a hard time finding the faith in that, which is why you left the church. But unlike you I don't have that problem.

Answer 4

Joseph Smith translated the book of mormon in the language of his time in 1830. He lived in a rural backwoods community and most people back then only read the bible. He translated the book of mormon into the language of his day.
Actually if you actually read the book of mormon, they are differences in the book of mormon from the bible passages.
God did help him translate with the urim and thummin.
By the way, he was never alone in the translation of the book of Mormon. He didn't write anything in the Original and Printers Manuscripts of the Book of Mormon. He couldn't write, he had to have scribes to write them.

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I read anthanius's remark about people leaving the church more than joining the church. I don't think so. The church has more than doubled from 1986 with 6 million to 2007 with 13 million members worldwide. I could say some have left the church but more people are actually joining the church in droves.

Answer 5

According to the Book of Mormon, Lehi's family left Jerusalem 600 years before the birth of Christ. They took with them a set of brass plates upon which was written the Jewish Scriptures up to that point.

Roughly half of all the Isaiah verses quoted in the Book of Mormon are verbatem. Assuming that Joseph's translation of the golden plates was accurate, that is proof that at least Isaiah hasn't changed much in the past 2600 years.

Answer 6

D. Other. People have been trying to prove Mormonism false since the 1830s, and it has been a very long time since anyone has come up with anything new or original. I would listen to you, but with little interest because I'm about 99.9% sure you would just be regurgitating the same old stuff that has been beaten to death for nearly 200 years that I have already heard over and over and over again. When you come up with something new, let me know, you will have my undivided attention. For the record: A) Nothing you can say will cause me to loose faith B) I would listen, but not just in case you actually found proof, because I don't think you can. C) Unless you can come up with something new, it will be baseless. No, it does not strengthen my testimony because I doubt you can say anything that I haven't already heard over and over again.

Answer 7

Hey LDS Mormons If God Himself doesn't know of any other gods, how could the Mormons know of millions of gods?
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)

Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one. (Isaiah 44:8)

Aslo see Isaiah 45:5; 45:14; 45:21; 45:22; 46:5; 46:9; 43:10 all of these verses say there is only one God

Yet part of the mormon doctrine of God is the belief that every male mormon can become a god himself? joseph smith said, " You have got to learn to become gods yourselves the same as all gods before you." Brigham Young said, " The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming gods like himself. We are created to become gods like unto out father in heaven.

Answer 8

Why is it so important to some people to assert that mormonism isn't what it says it is? I'll never understand such hate.

Within the ARticles of Faith of the LDS church, it clearly states: We believe the bible to be the word of God, as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

Lately, when I write in my journal, if I've found something interesting or memorable or important to my life, I put a copy of it into my journal - the Book of Mormon record is very similar to that - The people who kept the ancient records included Biblical scripture that was important to them - It not only proves the Book of mormon, it proves the Bible.

The translations of the Bible that are included in the Book of Mormon have been annotated with corrections or changes - they are frequently changed from the specifics of the KJV.

The BOM is not fiction - However, if it is, so what? What's wrong with having a belief that God still has things to say to us in these days? What's so wrong with believing that we have modern prophets?

Answer 9

The reason I know that the Book of Mormon is simple. I followed James' admonition found in the Bible. See James 1:5. I simply asked God in prayer about the Book of Mormon's truthfulness and I received my answer. I now know that it is the word of God and that we can get closer to God by reading its pages by any other book. In other words, I asked the one person that would know: God. Any mortal man is not going to know the answer unless God reveals it to him.

I now know that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.

Answer 10

Duh, don't you know that the BOM is gods word? And since the Bible is too, of course you'll have the same stuff in both. Perfect explanation. I'm sure the Mormons have a better explanation.

Now why did they make so many revisions after the 'most accurate book ever written' was written.. and 'the urim and thummin wouldn't let Joseph move to the next line until the one line was accurate... so why did they have to later revise stuff" that is the question..