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Give me a reasoned and referenced Christian response to this assertion

2007-06-22 18:32:37 · 14 answers · asked by christian belief asking you 1 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Is there any limit of biblical/Christian absurdity.
‘Christ according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten--just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded form the Father and Son, but was an equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say before he existed, but he is of the same age as the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.’

2007-06-22 18:36:06 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 4

The trinity includes the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.

We invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

2007-06-22 20:25:09 · answer #2 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 0 0

The doctrine of the Trinity is based upon the idea that God is three in one. The emphasis is on the one. There are not three Gods, there is one God.

However, theologians have debated for centuries HOW this is possible. It is called the great mystery of the Trinity. There is no correct explanation of how God is three in one. There is only the truth of the matter. Based upon the bible:

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit

Matthew 28:19(NIV)
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

2007-06-22 18:46:03 · answer #3 · answered by beenblake 2 · 0 0

i'm saved by utilizing the blood of Jesus Christ, my heavenly Father is God Jehovah, the Holy Spirit comforts me. there is God the daddy, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit and those 3 are one so why could one deny the trinity? to disclaim potential to not have confidence interior the being of God---3 are one and whilst not each concept equipment accepts the trinity God will choose us and regrettably it will be too overdue for some. The Holy Spirit isn't a rigidity (He comforts us and receives unhappy if indignant) as some tend to have confidence; Jesus suggested He left us yet that He had to head so as that the comforter (Holy Spirit) could come so as that we would possibly not experience on my own. Do you bear in mind the 2nd Jesus grow to be baptized? ( you do in case you're a Christian or have awareness approximately God's be conscious) Jesus grow to be recent and a voice suggested it is my cherished Son in whom i'm properly overjoyed, and the Holy Spirit descended on Jesus like a dove; it grow to be a amassing that make the three ever truer.

2016-09-28 08:18:59 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Chrisitans can't answer the question why none of the prophets before Jesus NEVER spoke of the trinity. Before Jesus the trinity occured in Ancient Egyptian Mythology and Hinduism, but never in Judaism.

All prophets believed God to be absolutely one and indivisible. Trinity would be polytheism; yet Christians followed what Paul taught them and forgot what Jesus had stressed upon: That God was absolutely one.

Accursed be those that introduced polytheism to a heavenly religion like Christianity.

2007-06-23 05:15:51 · answer #5 · answered by Ash'ari Maturidi 5 · 0 1

The question doesn't make sense. The Trinity is One God. So Christians DON'T believe the Trinity is NOT one God - because it is.

Matt

2007-06-22 18:37:27 · answer #6 · answered by mattfromasia 7 · 0 0

It's tough to figure out what you want here.But I'll try.
Gen.1 "God created the heavens and the earth...and the spirit of God hovered over the waters".
Collosians 1,John 1,and Hebrews 1 basically all say the same thing.
Jesus was there at creation and God created all things through Jesus.When God says "Let us create man"...
He is speaking among the trinity.The ones who were there at creation.
John wasn't kidding when he said "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God.The same was in the beginning with God....He created the world but the world knew him not".
Peter tells Ananias in Acts5,"You have lied to the Holy Spirit,you haven't lied to man but to God."
Phillipians 2:6 and on says,"Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God ,yet for our sake he emptied himself..."
What more could one want?
Thomas says to Jesus ,"My Lord and my God"...One might then say "Well ,Jesus is God ,he is all three."
Daniel 7:13.." I saw in the night visions one like the Son of Man and he came to the Ancient of Days"...That's Jesus and the Father,that's two separate beings.Both of the same essence but separate personalities.

2007-06-22 18:53:40 · answer #7 · answered by AngelsFan 6 · 0 0

I am Christian and I don't believe in the Trinity. I was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Triads can be found in religions from ancient times.

Here is one scripture to show what the Bible says about the relationships involved. 1 Corinthians 11:3 - "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

2007-06-22 18:42:17 · answer #8 · answered by MiD 4 · 2 2

Hi christian belief asking you. There are many verses in the Bible where God tells us that Jesus was all three. Jesus was God almighty Himself. In Isaiah 9:6 God foretells the birth of Jesus:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Who is the Child to be born? Who is the Mighty God? The Everlasting Father? Who is the Prince of Peace? The Wonderful Counsellor? The Child to be born is Jesus Christ. (Matthew 1:23)

Again in 1 John 5:7 God tells us that the Three are One:

“For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.”

In John 1:1 God tells us He is the Word:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

In John 1:14 God tells us the Word is Jesus:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”

God insists there is one God, and yet, He clearly reveals Himself as three distinct persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. God says of the Lord Jesus in Colossians 2:9:

“For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;”

Jesus says of Himself in John 10:30:

“I and my Father are One”

In John 14:9 Jesus tells us He is God:

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” 8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”

We know from reading Isaiah 43:11 that God is telling us there is no Saviour besides Him:

“I, even I, am the LORD, And besides Me there is no savior.”

Jesus is the Savior. We read in Matthew 1:21:

“And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins.”

When we look at the Bible in its entirety we can see without a doubt that Jesus Christ is God Almighty Himself.

2007-06-22 18:42:05 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

it is really very simple, I don't know why people make it so complicated

answer:
it is a way of describing god,
according to the doctrine of the orthodox Christians:

" by the Father, understanding God's creation; by the Son, his knowledge (which was transmitted though Jesus, the incarnation of his word); and by the Holy Ghost, his essence."

2007-06-22 18:49:51 · answer #10 · answered by YahooAnswersIsFun 3 · 1 0

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