Why did Christ not return in 1891 as Joseph Smith predicted?
-----> (History of the Church, Vol. 2 page 182).
2007-06-22
14:55:05
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doesn't that mean he's a false prophet?
2007-06-22
14:55:43 ·
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"14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter."
2007-06-22
15:06:45 ·
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cause Joseph smith is their Christ
2007-06-23 10:53:43
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answered by Anonymous
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Doctrine & Covenants 130:14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.
This is NOT a prediction of when the Lord would come again. The Lord said IF IF IF IF IF you live to 85. He said IF Joseph Smith ad lived that long.
Now, what did Joseph say abouto this?
The only logical conclusion he could come up with is, that he didn't believe that the Second coming would be BEFORE 1891.
2007-06-22 23:10:20
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answered by mormon_4_jesus 7
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Because Joseph didnt predict that Christ would return in 1891. He did say Christ wouldnt appear before then, but not that He would then.
Dont believe me? read his own words.
"14 I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:
15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.
16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.
17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time." (D&C 130:14-17).
Now, considering Joseph clearly stated here that the Lord did not tell Him when Christ would come. And Joseph was left to interpret things up to himself the real questions is: If Joseph was wrong, why do you have to lie about what he taught to attack him?
2007-06-22 15:03:56
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answered by Avatar_defender_of_the_light 6
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You are missing an important point. Joseph did not live until he was 85, did he? The Lord basically was telling us that no man knows when he is to come again, and the Lord will not reveal that even to his prophet. It was a "play on words." It is apparently essential that we be prepared always for his second coming as it is not going to be revealed ahead of time.
2007-06-23 09:28:40
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answered by Kerry 7
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Hey LDS Mormons If God Himself doesn't know of any other gods, how could the Mormons know of millions of gods?
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)
Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one. (Isaiah 44:8)
Aslo see Isaiah 45:5; 45:14; 45:21; 45:22; 46:5; 46:9; 43:10 all of these verses say there is only one God
Yet part of the mormon doctrine of God is the belief that every male mormon can become a god himself? joseph smith said, " You have got to learn to become gods yourselves the same as all gods before you." Brigham Young said, " The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming gods like himself. We are created to become gods like unto out father in heaven.
Whatever they wish John 10:34 to say, it does not support their position. The Mormon can only say he hopes to become a god. Psalm 82 and John 10:34 are in the present tense, a distinction apart from their position. In fact, upon a reading of Psalm 82, it is wonder that Mormons would want to identify with the psalm at all. It says nothing good about these men. But if that is the position they desire, only the judgment of God follows.
Furthermore, the Mormon should be made aware that LDS Apostle James Talmage correctly identified the “gods” of psalm 82 and john 10:34 when he wrote, “Divinely appointed judges Called ‘gods.’ In Psalm 82:6, judges invested by divine appointment are called ‘gods.’ To this Scripture the Savior referred in His reply to the Jews in Solomon’s Porch. Judges so authorized officiated as the representatives of God and are honored by the exalted title ‘god.’” (Jesus the Christ, 501).
2007-06-23 10:59:16
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answered by Anonymous
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JOSEPH SMITH IS A PROPHET TO THE MORMONS. However, because his prophecies did not come true did render him not a prophet anymore among his peoples but he was merely presumptuous. Thus, even the elect according to THE LORD JESUS CHRIST will be deceived in these times. But the 2nd coming as revealed to me by THE HOLY SPIRIT is in the year 3500 and this is the 1st resurrection which is the resurrection of the righteous. And the 2nd resurrection which is of the resurrection of the dead-the natural men will be 4500. And the old heaven and the old earth will be melted 15 billion years from now and to be replaced by a new one-the new earth and the new heaven. At that point in time, it will not be under the govt of men but under the govt or kingdom of GOD. THANKS GOD; FEAR GOD; PRAISE GOD; GLORIFY GOD; HONOR GOD; LOVE GOD AND WORSHIP GOD. On my complete article on the 2nd coming of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, pls visit my website-http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THEGOODNEWSOFTHEKINGDOM/
2007-06-22 15:05:31
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answered by Prophet John of the Omega 5
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Suppose I say that the proposition "P implies Q" is true. This is only false if P is true and Q is false.
Joseph Smith did not live that long, so P is false, thus the proposition is still true.
2007-06-25 07:19:23
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answered by je_apostrophe 2
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Because Joseph Smith made all of the stuff up.
2007-06-22 14:58:32
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answered by Colonel Mustard 2
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Talk about another missed opportunity. Doesn't anybody get the feeling there's been a mistake?
2007-06-23 06:12:08
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answered by Dances with Poultry 5
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