Hate the sin, love the sinner.?

Question

So, I was reading on YA this morning and I found a post that stated that Jesus never said Hate the sin, but love the sinner. I agree, he didn't say that. HE LIVED IT.
He was consistantly telling people to turn away from their sinful ways. He even got so angry about it at one point that he tore up a market place. At the same time He loved those people so much that he was willing to give up his life for them.

What are your thoughts?

ianptitchener

WOW, thanks, that verse from Proverbs was a great reminder. Those of us who come on here to share and help others, we do invite the insults.

Thank you!

iwant_u2_wantme2000

John 2:13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!" 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: "Zeal for your house will consume me."

michaelrayburn

Jesus also preached that we should not rely on worldly posessions...

Answer 1

My thoughts. HHHMMMM!
You said the market place? No it was a Jewish temple! Yes, a house of G-d. He destroyed a house of G-d. HHHHMMM. I don't see how that is loving anything. I mean that was a holy place, yet he loved those people. But defiled a house of G-d. How is that loving people, he took, food, trading items, and the place of worship from these people. You know who else does that? Warlords in third world countries. Yes, they take food, places of worship, and anything that these people can trade for items they need to survive.

Lets see, let me destroy a month of your pay, and ruin most of what you have to trade for items that you need over the next month, then tell you how much I love you, while you suffer and try to play catch up. Yeah, I bet you would be feeling some serious love there. Let me guess, I could walk up to you and say can you forgive me brother, and you would open your arms and embrace me with forgiveness.

See the problem is that you have done no research on that passage, nor have you done any research of how the Jews lived during that period. When the temple was not used for worship, it was a safe place for them to trade amongst themselves to get items that they needed to survive. This was common practice. But this was never done during the Sabbath. To this day the Jews are not suppose to touch money, or engage in commerce of any kind.

Many Christians talk about how commerce in the house of G-d is such a bad thing, yet there they are selling tapes of the sermon. How does that work? Cash traded for a product= commerce.

And that is another thing that today we don't look at, 90% + of the commerce was a barter system. The idea that coins are just over flowing from all of the "people" you mean Jews is foolish. We don't really think about culture any more. We think about what our society looks like and everything else is weird and different. We are talking about the middle east two thousand years ago. It was common for people to have these animals come into their house. This was not uncommon, even among the rich and poor alike. The only difference is that the poor most likely could not afford many of these animals.

You know what is really cool is when we can think for ourselves and are not bunched up like a heard of cattle.

It is cool when we can know our history and our religion as well. I once heard the late Jerry Fallwell say "That the Romans hated Jesus so much that the Roman guard stuck Jesus with his spear to steal his last breath" Well, the Romans at that time hated him, yet they have no mention of him during this point in time. If we look at Roman religion you must have a puncture in your body for your soul to escape to the heavens. Wow, I guess that means that the guard actually cared. Imagine that, the guard hated Jesus so much that he want to see his soul go to heaven. It is interesting to find out that if they hate you they try not to puncture your body so your should is trapped in your body forever. But this guard hated him so much that he helped his soul go to heaven. That’s interesting.

I don't know you tell me.

Answer 2

Jesus is the perfect example of how we are suppose to live.Your right he didnt just speak,he lived the way he spoke and did what he saw his father do.He said be angry and sin not and there is a verse in Romans that says by mans disobedience we became sinners{Adam in Genesis}.Also in romans is a verse that says God commanded his love toward us in while we are yet still sinners,Christ died for us.Christ was angry that the people in the market place were sinning against God by being dishonest in their dealings with others{selling them goods} and wanted them to understand that by cheating others they were sinning against God.He always tried in a loving way to show others why it is important even though we are sinners to try not to sin and that even though we still will that God loves us.

Answer 3

Dear Friend,

Yes you are correct, but Jesus was perfect, and so was his judgment, ours is not, that is why he counseled us not to judge, and to act out of love

Ephesians 4:26"In your anger do not sin"[a]: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27and do not give the devil a foothold.

Matthew 18:A Brother Who Sins Against You
15"If your brother sins against you,[a] go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'[b] 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Jesus urges us to communicate with people who sin, Go to him, 2 Timothy 4:2 states
Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

We should always try to council people to turn from their sinful ways by our behavior as Christians and verbally if it is appropriate and loving,if it is a fellow believer we should go to him and speak to him directly. But Proverbs 9:7 says
"Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse. We may not always get thanks for doing so!

God Bless

Answer 4

You almost said it all, my friend. The Bible needed not any direct mention of the statement "hate the sin, love the sinner." Jesus LIVED that statement. He Himself said it when He dined with Zacchaeus, "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."

Answer 5

It is interesting that in Mathew it says Jesus "became angry" before he healed somebody. It states this at least two times. I feel that he saw people as perfect children of God and would become angry at the sin clouding the truth. To love somebody is to see their inner perfection.

Answer 6

Unfortunately, that phrase is often directed at gays, whom Jesus made no mention of (that we know of). All that's heard when that phrase is used is the word "hate". I think it's a fallacious thought. It's become a cliche. People who use it seem to me to be sheep following and regurgitating what they heard from the pulpit. I wish people would think for themselves and do a little research. Then they wouldn't need to use cliches to get their thoughts across. :)

Answer 7

Where did Jesus tear up a market place. I recall him turning over someones stuff in a church. Even though Jesus might have never said that it was his example and we should follow that.

Answer 8

My thoughts are Jesus is over rated. He didn't give up his life, he was captured and put to death along with two other people right next to him. That really doesn't sound like to much of a sacrifice to me. Also you just said that your supposed to love the sinner but they would listen you he tore up a market place how they hell is that living forgiveness.

Answer 9

Jesus died for ALL sinners, & not just for a few. I know many very evil people, But as far as myself, as a Christian, I love their soul, but not their sin, I don't have to be a partaker of their sins.

Answer 10

Someone who was truly of the divine would know that sin is in the eye of the beholder too.